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<div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Julian and others – <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Interesting, my bell is visibly of identical pattern with clapper on a short chain, but a little smaller. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The dimensions of mine are – <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Outer (maximum) diameter, 3 ¼”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Height, 2 3/4" <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Wooden handle, 3”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>On mine, the metal “shaft” between the bell and handle is just a ½” metal ferrule (thin circular ring) covering the end of the wooden handle. The handle unscrews easily – it is the top knob that has the screw thread to keep the bell on the handle. <sup> <o:p></o:p></sup></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, I agree that yours are probably school bells, the town criers would be larger still. Mine, as I said would have been a house bell. The larger the size, the further the sound will carry – ie house, school or town. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I will be at Taylors later this month so out of curiosity will take mine and (if I have time) see if anyone in the museum can shed light on it. They may have a similar one there. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496'>Alison<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2020 12:49<br><b>To:</b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Brass vs bronze and surface finish [Bell Historians] Establishing the origins and age of a hand bell ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Alison, David, Dickon, and the Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Thank you very much for the information.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The polished bell (without the clapper) looks like brass, but are the pair of identical bells brass? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Also, is the rough (unpolished?) finish of the surface of the 'shoulder' and inside of the pair of bells produced by the sand used in casting them?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>For completeness, the two bells that are identical have the following dimensions:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Outer (maximum) diameter, 5 inches<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Height, 3<sup>1</sup>/<sub>4</sub>" (three and a quarter inches)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Wooden handle, 5<sup>1</sup>/<sub>2</sub><sup> " (five and a half inches long)</sup></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Metal shaft visible between the bell and wooden handle, about 1/</span></sup><sub><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>2</span></sub><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> " (half inch).</span></sup><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The (brass) bell without a clapper is a little larger, with an outer (maximum) diameter of 47/</span></sup><s><sub><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>8</span></sub></s><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>" (four and seven eighths) and height of 31/</span></sup><sub><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>2</span></sub><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>" (three and a half).</span></sup><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It also has what appear to be a crack (or casting fault?) about three inches long running horizontally around it just above the third line up from the base.</span></sup><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><sup><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>With thanks,</span></sup><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Julian</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Revd David Cawley davidl.cawley@btinternet.com [bellhistorians] <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com><br><b>Sent:</b> 12 January 2020 20:24<br><b>To:</b> bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Establishing the origins and age of a hand bell ?</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><div id="x_ygrp-mlmsg"><div id="x_ygrp-msg"><div id="x_ygrp-text"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'>Dickon is absolutely correct when he identifies these as brass bells. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'>Taylors used to use a firm in Birmingham to make them for sale, and modern examples are on sale in the Bell Foundry Museum shop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'>The appearance is very much late 19th century to the early 20th century. Probably school bells though there were any number of uses to which these robust castings could be put. Usually the handle would break with excessive use rather than the bell !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'>DLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #00ADE5 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 24.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'><br><br>------ Original Message ------<br>From: "Julian Perfect julianperfect@hotmail.com [bellhistorians]" <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com><br>To: "bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com" <bellhistorians@yahoogroups.com><br>Sent: Saturday, 11 Jan, 2020 At 14:18<br>Subject: [Bell Historians] Establishing the origins and age of a hand bell ? [4 Attachments]<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="x_ygrp-mlmsg"><div id="x_ygrp-msg"><div id="x_ygrp-text"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>It has been suggested to me that the Bell Historians Group might be able to provide some information in response to my enquiry below. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I have a couple hand bells which appear to be identical and cast in bell metal (please see the first three of the attached photographs, the 2p coin gives an indication of the dimensions of the bells). I would like to establish, if possible, by whom, where and when these bells were cast, but there are no markings that I can see on either of the bells (or their handles) that might offer any clues. I would be grateful for any information, ideas, or suggestions about this, please.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I would also be interested to hear any ideas about the origins and former use of the bell (missing its clapper) shown in the fourth and fifth of the attached photographs. Again, there are no markings visible on this bell.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>With thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=xxmsonormal style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Julian Perfect</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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