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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regarding who can offer advice, on what and to whom, it may be worth (re-)reading an article by David Knight in the RW – page 1071 issue 5714 (2020). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",serif'>What has changed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",serif'>is the definition of who can undertake the (…. Quinquennial…) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",serif'>inspection and the role of the diocese,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",serif'>exercised by its Diocesan Advisory Committee<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",serif'>(DAC) in this.</span><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496'>Although not directly related to all the debates in this string, it is worth reading more of this article – <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496'>Alison </span><span style='color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Bell-historians <bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Rivet<br><b>Sent:</b> 31 January 2021 16:03<br><b>To:</b> 'Bell Historians Mailing List' <bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Preshute - all bells added to NBR as 'On Pres List' between 2009 & 2015 (same for Westbury)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In reply to David Godwin’s query, I take his point about the CBC but there is a good reason for not involving bellhangers at DAC level. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Bell advisers have to be very careful not to favour one firm of bellhangers over another. If a bell adviser is too closely associated with one firm this would be seen as unfair by their competitors. I have in the past suggested that the industry could help itself by producing a leaflet listing reputable firms engaged in this kind of work, in the same way as branches of the RIBA list all the architects in their area. This would help to deal with the problem (very relevant if there aren’t any such firms locally) of hard up parishes in need of a bellhanger who are tempted to engage the help of a friendly local garage mechanic instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Peter Rivet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Bell-historians <<a href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk">bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Godwin via Bell-historians<br><b>Sent:</b> 31 January 2021 14:51<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> David Godwin <<a href="mailto:dwhgodwin@aol.com">dwhgodwin@aol.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:matthewhigby@aol.com">matthewhigby@aol.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Preshute - all bells added to NBR as 'On Pres List' between 2009 & 2015 (same for Westbury)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I have no idea who sits on the CBC clocks and bells committee these days - perhaps someone could enlighten us??<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>It is very interesting to look at the people on the Bells committee and then compare it to say the organ committee. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>For the organ committee there are five members (over half of the membership) who are organ builders i.e. professionals with day to day experience of working with organs, for the clocks committee there is one member who is a clockmaker, so again a professional with day to day experience of clocks, yet on the bells committee none of its members are bell hangers or work day to day in the trade. How has this been able to happen? have any of the bell hangers in the country been asked to be on the committee? other committees seem to be able to have professionals on them without conflict of interests. Does this give us an insight into the inconsistent and contradictory advice the bells committee give out on occasions?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black'>David Godwin</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>