<div dir="ltr">Why not try and contact the DAC Office as they might hold copies of these reports?<div><br></div><div>John</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 00:36, Richard Offen <<a href="mailto:richard.offen@iinet.net.au">richard.offen@iinet.net.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">According to the National Bell Register for the Carlisle Diocese (<a href="http://georgedawson.homestead.com/nbr.html" target="_blank">http://georgedawson.homestead.com/nbr.html</a>), the bells have been dated at around 1450. This is the register entry:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="823" style="width:617.6pt;border-collapse:collapse"><tbody><tr style="height:12.75pt"><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Diocese<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="53" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:40.05pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">No<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="147" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:110pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Parish<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="80" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:60.3pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dedication<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Bell<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="61" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:46.05pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Canons<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52.05pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Diameter<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="49" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:37.05pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Date<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="167" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:125pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Founder<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52pt;border-top:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Visited<u></u><u></u></span></b></p></td></tr><tr style="height:12.75pt"><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:1pt solid windowtext;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Carlisle<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="53" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:40.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">07/300<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="147" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:110pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Waberthwaite<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="80" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:60.3pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">St John<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1 of 2<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="61" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:46.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">6<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">16<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="49" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:37.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">c1450<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="167" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:125pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Unknown<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">RMC 6/94<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:12.75pt"><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:1pt solid windowtext;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Carlisle<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="53" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:40.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">07/300<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="147" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:110pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Waberthwaite<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="80" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:60.3pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">St John<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2 of 2<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="61" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:46.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">6<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">17.5<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="49" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:37.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">c1450<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="167" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:125pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Unknown<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">RMC 6/94<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr style="height:12.75pt"><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-left:1pt solid windowtext;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Carlisle<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="53" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:40.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">07/300<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="147" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:110pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Waberthwaite<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="80" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:60.3pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">St John<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="63" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:47.55pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Disused<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="61" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:46.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">14.75<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="49" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:37.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1882<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="167" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:125pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">John Warner & Sons<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td width="69" nowrap valign="bottom" style="width:52pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:1pt solid windowtext;border-right:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm 5.4pt;height:12.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">RMC 6/94<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The initials in the ‘visited’ column stand for Ranald W.M. Clouston, a prolific and much respected bell archaeologist. Sadly Ranald died in 2002 and, as far as I know, his papers are currently in storage, however, it is more than likely he furnished the parish with a copy of his findings, which a search through your church archives might reveal. Ranald was very good at comparative bell archaeology and his notes may well give some clues to the answers you are searching for.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Richard<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><img border="0" width="321" height="144" id="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:1778652e7414cff311" alt="cid:image001.png@01D40F8F.50BED290"></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Bell-historians [mailto:<a href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>cmwinzor via Bell-historians<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 February 2021 1:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> cmwinzor<br><b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] St John's Waberthwaite bells<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p>Can this be posted please?<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">St John's Church, Waberthwaite looking for advice</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">We have 2 church bells which are well documented by various historians. They are engraved Henricus Sextus Rex and Sanctus Jacobus Dominus Thomas Walker.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">The story has always been that they are connected to the time when King Henry V1 took refuge at Muncaster Castle. Last year there was research done into the legend of the Luck of Muncaster which include the story of the bell in Muncaster church, also dedicated to Henry V1. This research is not yet published but I have seen a copy of it. It gives some weight to the visit of the king.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">At that time St Johns was the mother church and Thomas Walker was rector.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">We are researching into our church history and would love to know if there is any connection in date/style/possible origin of our bells and the one in St Michael's. Just to know that they were likely to be connected in date would be a start. As far as I know the two King Henry bells have never been compared. Is there anyone who can steer me in the direction of an expert??</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Our bells are hung in the bellcote and the Muncaster one is in their church. Once we're all able to travel. it's a wonderful area for a visit.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_-8009331907756582584western"><span style="font-family:OpenSans-webfont,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Fingers crossed someone out there can help<br>Catherine Winzor</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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