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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Agree with Wayne re the clock. Most Paine clocks are cast iron four-posters, but the full frame isn’t shown in Paul’s photo. There are similarities with other Paine clocks (I checked photos of three others), but differences too<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The Bedford chiming machine (my home tower for 20 years) is a Gillett machine of the Imhof type, with (as Wayne says) slender pins – because they only needed to release the hammer (and not lift it). I really needed a photo for a talk next month (okay to use it, Wayne?) so thanks for uploading the picture. But the pins are quite different from those on the Dereham barrel, surely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Agree that the linkages in Mike’s latest photo do look as they are for a chime of some sort – and the arrangement (seven in a row?) suggests a set hung close together in a line. That would most likely mean hemispherical bells or tubes. Nothing for Dereham in the lists of hemispherical installations in the Mears or Warner catalogues I’ve checked – but that doesn’t mean that one of those firms didn’t supply something as the lists aren’t complete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='color:#1F3864'>Chris Pickford</span></i></b><span style='color:#1F3864'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#2F5496'>Kinver (UK)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> wayne francis <awf24k@hotmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> 26 September 2021 16:26<br><b>To:</b> c.j.pickford@talk21.com; 'Mike Chester' <mikechester@hotmail.com>; bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The clock is a bit Thwaites style, but some differences. The photo doesn't give enough view of the clock to fully see the pillars etc. Is it a three train? Or was? There seems to be an empty section to the right of photo.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The chiming machine in St Paul's Bedford has very small pins to the selection of barrels. The levers are counterbalanced and don't need much to operate them. I have a photo of Bedfordshire somewhere.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wayne<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> </span><a href="mailto:c.j.pickford@talk21.com">c.j.pickford@talk21.com</a><span style='color:black'> <</span><a href="mailto:c.j.pickford@talk21.com">c.j.pickford@talk21.com</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 26, 2021 3:29:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Mike Chester' <</span><a href="mailto:mikechester@hotmail.com">mikechester@hotmail.com</a><span style='color:black'>>; </span><a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><span style='color:black'> <</span><a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'wayne francis' <</span><a href="mailto:AWF24K@hotmail.com">AWF24K@hotmail.com</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=xmsonormal>Interesting that it’s a Paine pendulum and dated 1833 (with 1832 bell) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal>I’d say that the barrels (I’ve seen others of the sort belonging to church barrel organs) looks as though it belongs to an organ rather than a chiming system. These sort of pins wouldn’t have lifted chiming hammers. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xmsonormal><b><i><span style='color:#1F3864'>Chris Pickford</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xmsonormal><span style='color:#2F5496'>Kinver (UK)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=xmsonormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Mike Chester <</span><a href="mailto:mikechester@hotmail.com"><span lang=EN-US>mikechester@hotmail.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> <br><b>Sent:</b> 26 September 2021 15:06<br><b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:c.j.pickford@talk21.com"><span lang=EN-US>c.j.pickford@talk21.com</span></a><span lang=EN-US>; </span><a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><span lang=EN-US>bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xmsonormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#212121'>Pendulum is by Paine of London 1833. Clock he does not say who it is by. Wayne Francis speculates that the chime barrel might be by Ayres.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#212121'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#212121'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#212121'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xmsonormal style='background:white'><span style='color:#212121'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=xmsonormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> </span><a href="mailto:c.j.pickford@talk21.com">c.j.pickford@talk21.com</a><span style='color:black'> <</span><a href="mailto:c.j.pickford@talk21.com">c.j.pickford@talk21.com</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 26, 2021 2:55:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Mike Chester' <</span><a href="mailto:mikechester@hotmail.com">mikechester@hotmail.com</a><span style='color:black'>><br><b>Subject:</b> Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham</span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=xxmsonormal>No reaction to this by the look of it. Would be interested to see Paul’s photos and posting.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal>Definitely not Gillett & Johnston or Taylor, and the church itself is later than the bell – built in 1873-4, but there is also an older chapel of c.1815 in London Road which became a school after the 1870s church was opened. Perhaps the 1832 bell came from there, but it has no turret (and doesn’t look like the sort of building that would have had one). I’ve looked at a couple of 1874 press reports of the opening with descriptions of the building, but no mention of clock or chimes (one did refer to “when the tower and spire are completed” so it might be slightly later). <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal>Did Paul say anything about the clock in the tower?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xxmsonormal><b><i><span style='color:#1F3864'>Chris Pickford</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=xxmsonormal><span style='color:#2F5496'>Kinver (UK)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=xxmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=xxmsonormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Bell-historians <</span><a href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><span lang=EN-US>bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Chester<br><b>Sent:</b> 22 September 2021 15:23<br><b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><span lang=EN-US>bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</span></a><span lang=EN-US><br><b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] Cowper Congregational Chapel in Dereham</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=xxmsonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=xxmsonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Paul Cubbitt posted some photos of the belfry here on Facebook yesterday. There is a chiming barrel (literally the barrel) in the tower and one bell of 1832. There are clear signs that there were once several more bells in the tower. I do not have any details of them for my list. Can anyone supply details of this former chime?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=xxmsonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>