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<p>Hi Chris</p>
<p>You must know that you can now query Dove for all their listed
bells by date?<br>
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<p>1001-1100 : 2 bells<br>
1101-1200 : 32 bells<br>
1201-1300 : 137 bells<br>
1301-1400 : 927 bells</p>
<p>I wonder if it would be worth merging all those into your
spreadsheet as a starting point for gathering more information?<br>
</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Peter<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/12/2021 11:25, c.j.pickford---
via Bell-historians wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks to Phil Watts and Bill Hibbert for
their additions, and to Richard Offen for some extra
information. I’ll add them, of course, but I’ll delay a while
just in case anyone else wants to contribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps worth saying that the spreadsheet
was a fairly “quick and dirty” exercise to collect in one
place a lot of stuff that was previously only to be found in
many places. It can now be improved and developed further. I
particularly wanted to preserve George Elphick’s dating
suggestions, keeping them distinct from dates suggested by
other people, which is why (confusingly, I admit) there are
multiple date columns. I’ve also used a system that allows
dates to be sorted in a number of ways, standardising on
quarters by century (C13-3 etc) and having approx dates
(c.1260 etc) in a separate column. That may have been obvious,
but perhaps worth explaining just in case it wasn’t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The other thing to say is that the primary
purpose of the exercise was to identify and place in a dating
sequence all bells thought to be pre-1300 – but it’s useful to
have later examples (especially blank / uninscribed ones) too.
But there is a definite pecking order – a bit like judging a
12-bell eliminator where the order below the qualifying places
is less important! I’d expect there to be quite a few more
post-1300 bells that still need to be added. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If anyone wants to contribute further
examples or fill gaps in the available information, they key
things to record are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Accurate
measurements (in Metric or Imperial – though the spreadsheet
formulae to calculate relative height etc use Imperial) for<o:p></o:p></li>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="circle">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Mouth
diameter<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Shoulder
circumference (measured under the shoulder curve but as
close to the top of the main bell)<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">Tangent
(literally straight line from the lip to where the tape
touches the shoulder)<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Soundbow
type – VERY important (see the Elphick sketches on the Intro
worksheet)<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Other
details less important although useful (canon type, moulding
wires etc<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">George Elphick saw nearly all the very
early bells himself and made sectional drawing for many of
them too. He was therefore in an excellent position to make
comparisons. Thus his typography was based on a close study
(admittedly over several decades) coupled with a practical
man’s understanding of manufacturing techniques. A while back,
Richard Johnston rightly queried on this list whether a
typological dating sequence could really hold good, given the
scope for regional variation, time-lag, ‘rogue exceptions’
etc. I accept that totally (as with architecture, technology
and a great deal more), but I also feel that the main
narrative suggested by Elphick holds good for what one might
describe as “fully typical” early bells of different dates. I
also believe that because of his method of study his ideas and
conclusions are unlikely to be improved upon without a huge
amount of revisiting and/or through the application of some
method of scientific analysis as yet unknown. Richard’s caveat
would still apply, all the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Chris
Pickford</span></i></b><span
style="color:#1F3864;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Kinver (UK)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#2F5496;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">e-mail: </span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><a
href="mailto:pickford5040@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pickford5040@gmail.com</a>
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