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    <p>If I zoom in on Tetbury 2 photo from Andrew B, the bell on the
      left seems to have a shallow but distinct regular band, about 2 to
      3 inches wide on the waist side of the clapper indentation -  
      which looks like machine tuning? Could the same appearance be from
      the mould or fettling or some other source?? (I think the photo
      from Bill is of the same bell & both photos of that bell do
      imply machine tuning of that bell but I have limited knowledge.)<br>
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    <p>Ken<br>
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    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/02/2022 12:50, Andrew Bull via
      Bell-historians wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I
              inspected these bells in April 2017.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The
              frame, Pickford type 6.A, layout 8.3, is indeed by Gillett
              & Co. 1891. It has tie rods. The fittings are also
              mostly by Gillett, and consist of elm headstocks, plate
              gudgeons, and traditional type wheels and stays. The bells
              have ball-bearings and modern-type clappers, presumably
              supplied and fitted by Taylors in 1965. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There
              are no tuning marks on the back seven. The recast treble
              has been skirted, which is rather strange as the nominal
              of this bell is 50 cents sharp of the ideal. According to
              my figures – and perhaps Bill can confirm or refute – the
              back four all have sharp primes as well as sharp hums.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hopefully
              the attached photos will help.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span
              style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Andrew
              Bull<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font size="2"
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                Bell-historians [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                  href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk">mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>]
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>MATTHEW
                HIGBY via Bell-historians<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 22
                February 2022 11:23<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Bell
                Historians Mailing List<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> MATTHEW
                HIGBY<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                Re: [Bell Historians] Tetbury, Gloucestershire</span></font><font
              size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="2"
            face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Surely they
              have been rehung since then…. That’s pre-ball bearings. M<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                style="font-size:11.0pt">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font
              size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On
                22 Feb 2022, at 10:32, Phil Watts via Bell-historians <a
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk></a>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Highgrove, Doughton
                  (pronounced “Dufton” by some locally), mentioned in
                  the text as the home of the Yatman family who
                  commissioned the new tower in 1890-91, is of course
                  Highgrove House, now the country home of the Prince of
                  Wales.<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><u5:p> </u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt">Phil<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><u5:p> </u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:11.0pt"> <u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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                  style="font-size:11.0pt"><u5:p> </u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold"
                      lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> Bell-historians <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk></a>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>c.j.pickford.t21---
                  via Bell-historians<br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 22
                  February 2022 10:07<br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Bell
                  Historians Mailing List <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk></a><br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a
                    class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
                    moz-txt-link-freetext"
                    href="mailto:c.j.pickford.t21@btinternet.com">c.j.pickford.t21@btinternet.com</a><br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                  Re: [Bell Historians] Tetbury, Gloucestershire<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Ken. I hadn't
                    ventured beyond the photo page. Clearly a Gillett
                    installation, completed in 1893. No, they wouldn't
                    have taken the bells away for tuning at that date
                    (not until about 1907).<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">I did find that the work
                      done in 1965 was authorised by Archdeacon's
                      Certificate (not a full faculty) so must have been
                      fairly limited<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                        Sent from my Huawei phone<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                    <br>
                    -------- Original Message --------<br>
                    Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Tetbury,
                    Gloucestershire<br>
                    From: Ken Webb <br>
                    To: <a
                      href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br>
                    CC: <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                    <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt">The link from the
                          photo provided by Bill states G&J were
                          paid £200 for the bell work in the 1890's
                          (& carried out work re the clock etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                    <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt"><a
href="https://tetburychurch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Have-you-heard-the-bells.pdf"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">Have-you-heard-the-bells.pdf
                            (tetburychurch.co.uk)</a><o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                    <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt">Were they machine
                          tuning bells then?<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                    <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                          style="font-size:12.0pt">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt">On 22/02/2022
                            07:25, <a href="mailto:bill@hibberts.co.uk"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bill@hibberts.co.uk</a>
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">These bells are
                              described in Church Bells of
                              Gloucestershire as ‘seven largest bells
                              maiden bells, treble with skirting’, and
                              the back 7 (Rudhall 1722) are marked as
                              historically important, presumably because
                              they are maiden. I was looking at the
                              nominal figures of these bells as part of
                              a project I am doing, and wonder whether
                              in fact the back 7 have been tuned.<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">Arguments in
                              favour of tuning are:<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><font size="2"
                              face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
                                11.0pt">The back 7 nominal frequencies
                                are correct to within 3.5 cents of a
                                temperament favoured by Taylors from the
                                1890s on<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><font size="2"
                              face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
                                11.0pt">The bells hang in a frame which
                                is probably Taylors 1891<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><font size="2"
                              face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
                                11.0pt">The bell in this photograph <a
href="https://tetburychurch.co.uk/have-you-heard-the-church-bells-yet-this-year-or-the-church-clock-striking-out-the-passing-of-time/"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://tetburychurch.co.uk/have-you-heard-the-church-bells-yet-this-year-or-the-church-clock-striking-out-the-passing-of-time/</a>
                                may have a band of tuning just below the
                                clapper scar<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
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                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">Arguments against
                              tuning are:<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                          <li class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6"><font size="2"
                              face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
                                11.0pt">The treble is stretched by 35
                                cents (but perhaps wasn’t tuned if it
                                had previously been skirted?)<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
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                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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                              face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
                                11.0pt">The information in CBOG, arising
                                from a visit on 20/8/1979 by Mary Bliss
                                and AJC (Tony Cox?).<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
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                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">I think the bells
                              weren’t tuned when worked on by Taylors in
                              1965, as the tuning marks would have been
                              relatively fresh in 1979.<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">Does anyone have
                              any better knowledge of this?<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
                        <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span
                              style="font-size:12.0pt">Bill H<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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                              style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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