<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I agree. The bell in the photo appears to be machine tuned.<div>Matthew<br><br><div dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 22 Feb 2022, at 16:52, Ken Webb <ken44webb@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>If I zoom in on Tetbury 2 photo from Andrew B, the bell on the
left seems to have a shallow but distinct regular band, about 2 to
3 inches wide on the waist side of the clapper indentation -
which looks like machine tuning? Could the same appearance be from
the mould or fettling or some other source?? (I think the photo
from Bill is of the same bell & both photos of that bell do
imply machine tuning of that bell but I have limited knowledge.)<br>
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<p>Ken<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I
inspected these bells in April 2017.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The
frame, Pickford type 6.A, layout 8.3, is indeed by Gillett
& Co. 1891. It has tie rods. The fittings are also
mostly by Gillett, and consist of elm headstocks, plate
gudgeons, and traditional type wheels and stays. The bells
have ball-bearings and modern-type clappers, presumably
supplied and fitted by Taylors in 1965. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There
are no tuning marks on the back seven. The recast treble
has been skirted, which is rather strange as the nominal
of this bell is 50 cents sharp of the ideal. According to
my figures – and perhaps Bill can confirm or refute – the
back four all have sharp primes as well as sharp hums.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="navy"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hopefully
the attached photos will help.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>MATTHEW
HIGBY via Bell-historians<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 22
February 2022 11:23<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> MATTHEW
HIGBY<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Bell Historians] Tetbury, Gloucestershire</span></font><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Surely they
have been rehung since then…. That’s pre-ball bearings. M<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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22 Feb 2022, at 10:32, Phil Watts via Bell-historians <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk"><bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk></a>
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(pronounced “Dufton” by some locally), mentioned in
the text as the home of the Yatman family who
commissioned the new tower in 1890-91, is of course
Highgrove House, now the country home of the Prince of
Wales.<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Phil<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>c.j.pickford.t21---
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 22
February 2022 10:07<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Bell Historians] Tetbury, Gloucestershire<u5:p></u5:p></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Ken. I hadn't
ventured beyond the photo page. Clearly a Gillett
installation, completed in 1893. No, they wouldn't
have taken the bells away for tuning at that date
(not until about 1907).<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I did find that the work
done in 1965 was authorised by Archdeacon's
Certificate (not a full faculty) so must have been
fairly limited<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Tetbury,
Gloucestershire<br>
From: Ken Webb <br>
To: <a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The link from the
photo provided by Bill states G&J were
paid £200 for the bell work in the 1890's
(& carried out work re the clock etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="https://tetburychurch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Have-you-heard-the-bells.pdf" moz-do-not-send="true">Have-you-heard-the-bells.pdf
(tetburychurch.co.uk)</a><o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Were they machine
tuning bells then?<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ken<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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07:25, <a href="mailto:bill@hibberts.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bill@hibberts.co.uk</a>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">These bells are
described in Church Bells of
Gloucestershire as ‘seven largest bells
maiden bells, treble with skirting’, and
the back 7 (Rudhall 1722) are marked as
historically important, presumably because
they are maiden. I was looking at the
nominal figures of these bells as part of
a project I am doing, and wonder whether
in fact the back 7 have been tuned.<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Arguments in
favour of tuning are:<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt">The back 7 nominal frequencies
are correct to within 3.5 cents of a
temperament favoured by Taylors from the
1890s on<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt">The bells hang in a frame which
is probably Taylors 1891<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt">The bell in this photograph <a href="https://tetburychurch.co.uk/have-you-heard-the-church-bells-yet-this-year-or-the-church-clock-striking-out-the-passing-of-time/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://tetburychurch.co.uk/have-you-heard-the-church-bells-yet-this-year-or-the-church-clock-striking-out-the-passing-of-time/</a>
may have a band of tuning just below the
clapper scar<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Arguments against
tuning are:<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt">The treble is stretched by 35
cents (but perhaps wasn’t tuned if it
had previously been skirted?)<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt">The information in CBOG, arising
from a visit on 20/8/1979 by Mary Bliss
and AJC (Tony Cox?).<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></li>
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<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I think the bells
weren’t tuned when worked on by Taylors in
1965, as the tuning marks would have been
relatively fresh in 1979.<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Does anyone have
any better knowledge of this?<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
<p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Bill H<o:p></o:p></span></font><u5:p></u5:p></p>
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