<div dir="ltr">Question re Hastings stays:<div>It is surprising that a question about a high-profile item on which opinion is divided should attract just three answers from two contributors. There is an excellent and extensive article entitled 'Hastings stays' in RW 2003 pp1030-1231. There is no author shown, but as the article draws heavily on information in Taylors' files, it is likely to be factual. I believe the author was Colin Banton when he was at Taylors. It is much more factual than the Whiting Society article, which, in comparison, contains many historical errors, eg, the name of the inventor. His name was Rev Edward Hastings Horne (as Chris Pickford informs), which prompts a question; was his surname Hastings Horne (ie, double barrelled but with no hyphen), or was it Horne, with two forenames, Edward Hastings? Does anyone know?</div><div><span style="text-align:justify"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify">The Whiting Society article suggests the 'Rev J F Hastings M.A, was Rector of Martley in Worcestershire'. That is true, but he isn't our man, particularly as there is no 'Horne' attached.. There were two Rev Hastings in Martley, as outlined in a history of Hastings Close in the village: father and son. Father, the Rev J Hastings, was there from 1796 to 1858 - although he died aged 100, he was probably with the angels in 1890 - and then the son, who was Rev J F Hastings, who was there for 16 years as curate and then as Rector from 1907 to 1944. As Edward Hastings Horne died in 1939 (from CJP), Rev J F cannot be our man either. Lastly, it seems Edward Hastings Horne was resident in Leicestershire and Tunbridge Wells.</span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify">It's sad to see a near frictionless system described as a 'horrible device'. I've lived with 14 of them for 35 years and never had a problem with them. Once correctly set up they keep performing faultlessly.</span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify">The Rev John Scott told me a little story about Hastings stays. He was talking to a Mears & Stainbank bellhanger, who'd been working on a Devon ring with Hastings stays. He was grumbling about the funny Taylor stays. John told him they were invented by a cleric called Hastings Horne. The bellhanger replied, 'Mr Scott, his parents couldn't have been married!'</span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-align:justify">Chris Povey</span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 3:36 PM c.j.pickford--- via Bell-historians <<a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB"><div><p class="MsoNormal">The Fletcher article seems good on the practical side by the look of it – but wrong (I’m more or less certain) on the identity of the inventor.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Jennings <i>The Development of British Bell Fittings </i>(1991) credits the invention to the Rev. Edward Hastings Horne (p.93). Jennings is wrong, though, regarding Horne’s date of death – he died in 1939 (not 1929). He also refers to this as the invention of the Rev. Hastings Horne in his history of Taylors <i>Master of my Art </i>(1987) p.69-70. Horne was curate of Melton Mowbray 1889-91. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The correct name, incidentally, doesn’t feature in Alison’s list!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:rgb(31,56,100)">Chris Pickford</span></i></b><span style="color:rgb(31,56,100)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(47,84,150)">Kinver (UK)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(47,84,150)">Tel: 07811-453525<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(47,84,150)">e-mail: </span><span><a href="mailto:pickford5040@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">pickford5040@gmail.com</span></a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Bell-historians <<a href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Rivet<br><b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2022 15:24<br><b>To:</b> 'Bell Historians Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> 'AMH' <<a href="mailto:hodgeam@btinternet.com" target="_blank">hodgeam@btinternet.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Hastings stays<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So far as I am aware the best source on the history of the Hastings Stay is George Fletcher’s paper produced by the Whiting Society: <a href="https://www.whitingsociety.org.uk/articles/stay-making/hastings-stay.html" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">The Whiting Society of Ringers - Design for a Rectangular Hastings Stay</span></a> . There may of course be more information available on its inventor, perhaps at Martley where he was the incumbent.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Peter Rivet<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Bell-historians <<a href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>AMH via Bell-historians<br><b>Sent:</b> 23 February 2022 14:19<br><b>To:</b> 'Bell Historians Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> AMH <<a href="mailto:hodgeam@btinternet.com" target="_blank">hodgeam@btinternet.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] Hastings stays<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Hello historians - <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>We are investigating the history of Hastings stays and have found at least three versions of who invented them. Some references say “Rev W Hastings Thorne” but we have found two other websites quoting “Rev J F Hastings” or “Rev Edward Hastings Thorne”. Is there a historian who knows the definitive answer please?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Alison<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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