<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp57f3d6yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">George, Peter, et al,<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Here is a description: <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> "<span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Times New Roman,serif;mso-fareast-font-family:Times New Roman;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">The bell itself measures 14” in diameter at the
base, is 11' high and 8” in diameter at the crown. It bears
six small and four larger cherub faces and flower and foliage around the crown.
This casting lies above the Latin motto that should read “SI DEUS PRO NOBUS
QUIS CONTRA NOS” (If God be with us who can be against us), but which, due to a
poor laying out of the letters (possibly by someone not fluent in Latin)
reads<span> </span>SI DEUS <b>PRON BUS</b> QUIS
CONTRA NOS. This motto is a from the Epistle of Saint Paul to the Romans viii
31, 33</span>."</span><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The unsubstantiated story of the origin of the bell is that it was on a ship that foundered off the coast of Massachusetts. The captain was a Dutchman, and his widow (also Dutch) supposedly gave the rescued bell to a church in thanksgiving for their having decently buried all of the bodies that washed ashore from the wreck. The subsequent history of the bell is well documented.<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">This tale fits with your attribution of the bell to a Dutch or Flemish founder. I shall have to contact my Dutch & Flemish colleagues to see whether any of them can attribute the ornamentation and/or the style of lettering to a particular founder of that era.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thank you all for your attention to this question.<br></div><div><br></div><div>CSZ</div><div><br></div>
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On Friday, May 13, 2022, 02:59:19 PM CDT, Peter Rivet <peter@plrivet.plus.com> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322"><div><div class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322WordSection1"><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Do you have the full text of the inscription? I agree that it could well be a Dutch or Flemish bell; my knowledge of Dutch bells is very limited, but it might provide some clues.</span></p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Peter Rivet</span></p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><div id="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322yqt36987" class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322yqt6567636221"><div><div style="border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;" lang="EN-US"> Bell-historians <bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>georgebellringer@gmail.com<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2022 20:12<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Bell Historians Mailing List' <bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] An anonymous bell from 1675</span></p></div></div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"> </p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">I would have thought that its Dutch, but no sufficiently versed enough as to the founder.</span></p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;">George</span></p><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;"> </span></p><div><div style="border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentcolor currentcolor; border-style: solid none none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;" lang="EN-US"> Bell-historians [<a shape="rect" href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl S Zimmerman<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> 12 May 2022 19:58<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Bell Historians Mailing List<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Bell Historians] An anonymous bell from 1675</span></p></div></div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Dated 1675, and carrying a Latin religious inscription but no identification of its maker, this bell was reported as having been a ship's bell before it came ashore in Massachusetts in 1702/3. Certainly it was used thereafter as a church bell and then as a courthouse bell; it is now a museum piece.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">See the bell at <a shape="rect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Captain_Peter_Adolph_Bell.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Captain_Peter_Adolph_Bell.jpg</a></span></p></div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Click on the photo for a larger version; then click again for a super-large version.</span></p></div><div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Follow the "file usage" link to learn more of its post-arrival history.</span></p></div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Would anyone care to speculate on a possible maker, or even just a probable country of origin?</span></p></div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Carl Scott Zimmerman, Campanologist <br clear="none">Saint Louis, Missouri, USA -<br clear="none"> - 19th c. home of at least 37 bell founders or resellers <br clear="none">Tel. +1(314)821-8437 <br clear="none">Webmaster for <a shape="rect" href="http://www.TowerBells.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TowerBells.org</a><br clear="none"> * Avocation: tower bells<br clear="none"> * Recreation: handbells</span></p><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> * Mission: church bells</span></p></div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322ydp73140da6pasted-link"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Webmaster for <a shape="rect" href="http://www.TSCChapter134.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.TSCChapter134.org</a></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span></p></div><div><p class="ydp20c2c36fyiv7432812322MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Treasurer, World Carillon Federation</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="ydp20c2c36fyqt6567636221" id="ydp20c2c36fyqt83890">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Bell-historians mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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