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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Quite!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=321 height=144 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D8687E.AAC2A2C0" alt="cid:image001.png@01D40F8F.50BED290"></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Jackson<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 15 May 2022 5:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Bell Historians Mailing List'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Kemberton<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>That was the approach John Baldwin and I used to take with online Dove. Also that all the notes in the ring are shown relative to the key note of the ring even if individual bells are out of tune or the ring is "stretched".</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Tim</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Wilby<br><b>Sent:</b> 15 May 2022 09:45<br><b>To:</b> Bell Historians Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Kemberton</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Agree with both Richards. It would make sense to me if all rings were described in keys with the fewest sharps/flats. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>M<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Michael Wilby<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, 15 May 2022, 09:35 Richard Smith, <<a href="mailto:richard@ex-parrot.com">richard@ex-parrot.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Nigel Taylor wrote:<br><br>> When Online Dove moved to apply standard pitch (A=440) to note names, this<br>> resulted in some keynotes being changed. Ben Kipling and myself agreed that<br>> the note name should reflect the pitch standard, so sharp of F#<br>> international is Gb, and on pitch or flat of pitch is F#.<br><br>This policy makes sense for single bells, but I agree with <br>Richard that it's daft for rings. It's not being applied <br>properly, anyway. Why aren't York Minister, Exeter <br>Cathedral and Southwark Cathedral listed as A#? Is it <br>perhaps because they wouldn't put up with this nonsense?<br><br>RAS<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Bell-historians mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians" target="_blank">https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>