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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Geoff Dodd’s recollection of the APC story was that it was Lahore, not Pune. This is confirmed here </span><a href="https://cccbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/cccbr/ppr/CannonAP.pdf">(CannonAP\(PPR\)) (cccbr.org.uk)</a> Column 3 paragraph 2.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Colin<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Bell-historians <bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Wilby via Bell-historians<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 12, 2023 4:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bell Historians <bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> Andrew Wilby <wilbyawr@gmail.com>; MATTHEW HIGBY <matthewhigby@aol.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Pune, India<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I suspect the soldiers story refers to the tale told by A Patrick Canon? He was in the Indian army during the war. Probably deemed unsuitable to serve in the ordinary British army!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>He was based there in Pune for a while and it was customary to have church parade every Sunday.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pat claimed to have bribed a virger to let him up the tower where he found a bit of rope and attached it to the tenor. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At the end of the service the soldiers lined up on the square outside and awaited the order to march off which was given when the clock struck 12 noon. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Somewhat earlier Pat started pulling up the Tenor. Chaos ensued with orders being given to march off then countered etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pat was court marshalled for this and spent several weeks in the glass house where apparently he had the company of another ringer although I don't remember who. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> However it was worth it to Pat to be the only one ever to ring there.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> He confirmed that the tower rocked around very alarmingly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, 12 Aug 2023, 12:23 MATTHEW HIGBY via Bell-historians, <<a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I wonder if that picture shows the only time the bells have ever been ‘up’? M:-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 12 Aug 2023, at 12:06, <a href="mailto:peter@plrivet.plus.com" target="_blank">peter@plrivet.plus.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I had a look at these bells in 1974 and have no recollection of seeing Ellacombe equipment. They were being clocked (which concerned me a bit, because of the risk of cracking them). It was stated that at one time, before independence, they had been rung by soldiers from the nearby army base but whether this was ringing as we know it seems doubtful.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Peter Rivet<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Bell-historians <<a href="mailto:bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Neil Skelton via Bell-historians<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 12, 2023 7:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> Bell Historians <<a href="mailto:bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" target="_blank">bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a>>; Carl S Zimmerman <<a href="mailto:csz_stl@swbell.net" target="_blank">csz_stl@swbell.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Neil Skelton <<a href="mailto:neilskelton@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">neilskelton@ntlworld.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Pune, India</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The three photographs I have of the bells in the frame when in the Loughborough Bell Foundry in 1893 do not show any Ellacombe hammers. The images showing the bells being 'clocked' supports this observation. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Neil Skelton <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 12/08/2023 01:18 Carl S Zimmerman <<a href="mailto:csz_stl@swbell.net" target="_blank">csz_stl@swbell.net</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>A news article about chiming the octave at the Church of the Holy Name has a photo of the bells. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <a href="https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/125-year-old-bell-tower-national-anthem-republic-day-independence-day-8887729/" target="_blank">https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/125-year-old-bell-tower-national-anthem-republic-day-independence-day-8887729/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>One wonders whether there was ever an Ellacombe stand. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>An archived version of a former Website has more photos: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20170426083510/http:/www.thechurchoftheholyname.com/" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20170426083510/http://www.thechurchoftheholyname.com/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Carl Scott Zimmerman, Campanologist <br>Saint Louis, Missouri, USA - 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