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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Bell-historians <bell-historians-bounces@lists.ringingworld.co.uk> on behalf of Ted Steele via Bell-historians <bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 7, 2024 8:54:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk <bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ted Steele <bells@tedsteele.plus.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bell Historians] Founder: Bowen of London</font>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 04/05/2024 22:17, daviesbob via Bell-historians wrote:</div>
<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">.... Any information on the Bowen Foundry would be greatly appreciated.</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I am a bit surprised that the answers to this enquiry have not included reference to the Bell Historians list archive, a link to which pops up with a Google search for “Bowen bell founder London”. The topic was discussed in 2009 and this
is the complete thread. <br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Peter Dyson raised the subject; <i style="">“Last Sunday I went to look at a single bell at Altrincham (Cheshire) St George, to advise on a 'broken rope'. The bell is 26.25" dia and had 6 canons, of which one is broken off. The only inscription
is:</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">BOWEN FOUNDERS LONDON 1858</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">David Struckett's Dictionary list says he was casting in Clerkenwell between 1846 and 1890. A quick glance through GAD's NBR shows 2 bells in the Diocese of London.</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">Has there been any more been published on the foundry, please?”</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Not much was said in reply but John Ketteringham wrote: </p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">“This is from Lincolnshire Bells and Bell founders.<span style="">
</span>A second edition of this book is being published later this year! The firm of Bowen & Co. advertised as the Phoenix Church Bell Foundry of Dorrington Street, Mount Pleasant, London and cast a number of bells during the period 1846 to circa 1890. Most
of this firm’s bells are small and there are two of their products in Lincolnshire, both of which are undated.<span style="">
</span>The first is at Barrowby school which was built in 1851 and the second is at the Catholic Church of Our Lady and St Peter, Woodhall Spa. This church was built in 1896 and presumably the bell was cast at about that time.</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">Source : Information communicated by Christopher J. Pickford”.</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">David Cawley wrote: <i style="">“CJP is the authority on these bells by Bowen - it would be interesting to have a list, with particulars of his bells -also those of his contemporaries Barrett and Osborne (the London one, with an 'e')”</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> <span style=""> </span>CJP Obliged with:</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">“Here's a list for Bowen - not sure I've added all known bells, so E&OE</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""> <span style=""> </span>1858 Bowen London Altrincham St.George Cheshire<span style="">
</span>1/1 26.125<span style=""> </span>3-2-x A<span style=""> </span>JG </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1851 Bowen London Barrowby School Lincs<span style="">
</span>1/1 13<span style=""> </span>0-1-x A Undated (School 1851) Ketteringham </i>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1846 Bowen London Brentford St.George Middx Scrapped 1/1 20<span style="">
</span>2-0-x A Scrapped in 1913 Walters Ms </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1851 Bowen London Campden Town St.Paul Middx<span style="">
</span>1/1<span style=""> </span>Undated (church 1851) Walters Ms </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span><span style=""> </span>1848 Bowen London Duncton St.Anthony & St.George Sussex<span style="">
</span>1/1 12<span style=""> </span>0-1-x A<span style=""> </span>Elphick </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1854 Bowen London High Wycombe St.Andrew Bucks Recast 1/1 21.25<span style="">
</span>1-2-27 L Recast for St.Andrew's, Hatter's Lane, by JT&Co 1960 JT&Co </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1848 Bowen London Holnest Holnest Park Dorset<span style="">
</span>1/1 18.75<span style=""> </span>1-2-x A Probably 1848 Dalton </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1855 Bowen London Ilsington St.Jude, Mildmay Park Middx<span style="">
</span>1/1 25.875<span style=""> </span>3-2-x A Inventiry says 1885 (but 1855 more likely) GPE inventory
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1859 Bowen London Lemsford St.John the Evangelist Herts Recast 1/1 23"<span style="">
</span>2-3-x A Undated (probably 1859). Recast 1977 RW 1977 p.1100 </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1858 Bowen London Llowes St.Meilig & St.Llywes Wales (Radnor) 1/3 24.625<span style="">
</span>3-0-x A<span style=""> </span>Sharpe, CJND </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1858 Bowen London Llowes St.Meilig & St.Llywes Wales (Radnor) 2/3 26.125<span style="">
</span>3-2-x A<span style=""> </span>Sharpe, CJND </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1858 Bowen London Llowes St.Meilig & St.Llywes Wales (Radnor) 3/3 29.5<span style="">
</span>4-2-x A<span style=""> </span>Sharpe, CJND </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1856 Bowen London London St.Matthew, Oakley Square Middx<span style="">
</span>1/1 33<span style=""> </span>Walters Ms </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1856 Bowen London Radipole St.Ann Dorset<span style="">
</span>1/1 24<span style=""> </span>3-0-x A<span style=""> </span>Dalton </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1854 Bowen London Sandhurst St.Michael Berks Scrapped 1/2 16<span style="">
</span>1-0-x G Replaced in 1880 when ring installed Sharpe </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1854 Bowen London Sandhurst St.Michael Berks Scrapped 2/2 18<span style="">
</span>1-2-x G Replaced in 1880 when ring installed Sharpe </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1850 Bowen London Skewen St.John Wales (Glamorgan) 1/1 28<span style="">
</span>4-2-x A Undated - church 1850 Wright </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>1890 Bowen London Strachan Established Church Scotland (Kincardineshire) 1/1 19"<span style="">
</span>1-3-x A [no details in Eeles] Clouston Ms, Eeles </i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""><span style=""> </span>dnk Bowen London Woodhall Spa Our Lady & St.Peter (RC) Lincs<span style="">
</span>1/1 15<span style=""> </span>0-3-x A<span style=""> </span>Ketteringham </i>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""> I don't have details of the Barrett & Osborne bells in electronic form. CP“</i></p>
he thread closed with Peter Dyson’s comments:
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">“Thanks very much for the replies on this topic, especially Chris. Doing a little bit of analysis shows:</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""> 9 known bells remaining in England</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">4 known bells remaining in Wales</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style="">1 known bell remaining in Scotland.</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""> Yet a search on the CofE Churchcare database of listed bells shows only 1 of these, as "very rare".</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i style=""> As Historians, shouldn't we be recommending that the other 8 be added, or is this a problem that the database hasn't yet been reconciled at a national level?”</i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">The same Google search reveals an article from the Bridgewater Heritage Group which begins:<i style="">“John Bowen (1785-1854) was born in Bridgwater, Somerset. He ‘was taken from school’ at the age of 11, but subsequently took every
opportunity for self-education. He was apprenticed to Thomas Pyke, brazier and bell-founder in 1799 but became restless and left to seek adventure, eventually joining the Navy. After being shipwrecked he returned to Bridgwater and resumed his apprenticeship
with Pyke. He moved to London in 1805, and in 1806 he started work with George? Robinson, a lighthouse contractor.”</i></p>
There is no further reference to bells but I wonder if this was a relative of the Bowen in question?</div>
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