<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpeed35c0byahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Chris's remarks prompt me to raise a related question. While Dove Online constitutes a splendid inventory of existing rings and their component bells, and provides the basis for extensive statistical analyses of that inventory, how would one go about developing statistical analyses for earlier points in the history of change ringing, or for historical trends?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Such analyses are quite possible and practical for the histories of carillons and chimes in North America, because the TowerBells database describes each known present or former instrument in terms of the phases of its technological history. Also, the total historical period is relatively short -- just over a century for traditional carillons, and less than two centuries for chimes of all types. One example of the type of analysis that can be done is here: <a href="http://www.towerbells.org/data/IXNATRyrHistory.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.towerbells.org/data/IXNATRyrHistory.html</a> (A lot more is possible; I just haven't gotten a round tuit!)<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">The situation is much different in the ringing world, where some records go back for more than four centuries. County books undoubtedly provide partial snapshots as of their various publication dates, and surviving histories of individual towers. What else can be done, or has been done, in the way of historical statistical analyses?<br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydpeed35c0bsignature"><div style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Carl Scott Zimmerman, Campanologist <br>Saint Louis, Missouri, USA -<br> - 19th c. home of at least 37 bell founders or resellers <br>Webmaster for www.TowerBells.org<br><div> </div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Saturday, July 20, 2024 at 01:47:56 AM CDT, c.j.pickford.t21--- via Bell-historians <bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpa9997280yiv7869751171"><div><div>Oldest SURVIVING ring of six. <div><br clear="none"></div><div>I always feel that such qualifying adjectives limit the true significance of such claims. By 1612 there were quite a lot of rings of six in existence (although in 1552 there were far fewer - but some) </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Important and interesting as a survival, but in the historical narrative Harwell's significance is minor</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Chris Pickford <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my Huawei phone</div></div><div id="ydpa9997280yiv7869751171yqt42064" class="ydpa9997280yiv7869751171yqt9755377779"><div style="line-height:1.5;"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------- Original Message --------<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Oldest set of six?<br clear="none">From: John Harrison <br clear="none">To: bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk<br clear="none">CC: <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpa9997280yiv7869751171quote">Richard<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Thanks for the comprehensive answer. In fact after Tim prompted me to<br clear="none">download data and do offline searches I downloaded all bells up to 1612 in<br clear="none">rings of 6+ into a spreadsheet and added a function to check each<br clear="none">place/dedication with the entry 6 rows above. Only Harwell came through<br clear="none">that filter so not only does it have the oldest back six it also has the<br clear="none">oldest set of six.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">John Harrison<br clear="none">Website http://jaharrison.me.uk<br clear="none">Using 4té and ARMX6, both running RISC OS<br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Bell-historians mailing list<br clear="none">Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk<br clear="none">https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians<br clear="none"></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="ydpa9997280yqt9755377779" id="ydpa9997280yqt21661">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Bell-historians mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bell-historians@lists.ringingworld.co.uk</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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