[r-t] New Grandsire [was Old methods]

edward martin edward.w.martin at gmail.com
Thu Jul 17 23:15:15 UTC 2008


5040 (New) Grandsire Triples

*234567                                                    *

362547     P    B    S    P   P

346527     B    B    P* P

436572     P    B    P   B

724536     B   S    B    B   x  P   B   B

274563     P   B    P   B

342576     B   P   B    P   P



Call this 12 times but with 'S'  for  'P*' in parts 2 & 7 to give PEs:



*234567     324567*

342576     243576

432567     423567

324576     234576

243567     342567

432576     423576

324567     124567

 P  =  7.1.7.1.7.1.    7.1.7.1.7.1.3.1 for 1532746
S  =  7.1.7.1.7.1.567.1.7.1.7.1.3.1 for 1523746
B  =  3.1.7.1.7.1.    7.1.7.1.7.1.3.1 for 1752634
x  =  3.1.7.1.7.1.567.1.7.1.7.1.3.1 for 1725634

Not computer proved but I believe that it's true
There are other comps with different singles I suppose but in this 12-part
the only satisfactory one*  that I could find was in 5-6 at the half-lead.*
*I don't really think that the 'S' and the 'x' are different singles, one
simply occurs in an otherwise plain lead, the other in an otherwise bobbed
lead.*

Eddie Martin



2008/7/17 Mark Davies <mark at snowtiger.net>:

> What's this New Grandsire then - is it really just Grandsire rotated? If so
> then it sounds like a load of nonsense; lots of Stedman is rung starting at
> different changes and we still call it Stedman. No-one tries to splice
> Stedman started at the normal place with Stedman started at, say, the 2nd
> change of a slow six. Probably we should be able to do that, of course.
> (Yes
> yes don't tell me it's false across the method change).
>
> GACJ writes,
>
> > In practice, gaining consensus on the detailed definitions is fraught
> with
> > problems
>
> Tch, I thought I'd nailed it a little while back, at least for what a
> method
> is. See <http://bronze-age.com/NorwichAxioms/axiomframe.html>, "What is a
> method?"
>
> MBD
>
>
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