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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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EN-US" lang="EN-US">Hi All,<br>
<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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EN-US" lang="EN-US">I cannot see the problem here. Write out a
course of PB on any even
number of bells and the treble's backstroke lead are the rows we
seek. Any
other method on the same number of bells has Plain Bob leads if
its first
treble backstroke lead is one of these from PB.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Don seems to be grasping
at straws here. Most ringers
*do not know* and probably *care even less* that Cambridge, for
example, is
Group b. In every area of life, there are conventions. It is a
convention that
PB & Grandsire are the exceptions which prove the rules, as
it were. Yes,
this is for historical reasons and they got it wrong, but the
only crime they
are guilty of is not seeing the future. When they thought about
ringing Single
Oxford on 7, they had to add a hunt bell to avoid having 12
blows at the back
which, in spite of the recent change in Decisions, most would
probably not
choose to ring. I thought Americans were</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New""> enamoured</span><span
style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> of English
history
anyway. After all, their national anthem is an old English
drinking tune
written down by someone who is buried in Gloucester Cathedral!
Like so much of
this, if we were doing it now, we wouldn’t start from here – but
that’s life.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";
mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">More seriously, on rules.
I have read that place
notation was ‘invented’ by Gabriel</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New""> Lindoff</span><span
style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"> (fl. c1900).
The
Cambridge rule has been stated as dodge-3, </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New"">miss-2, dodge-3 on 10
bells, but you have to
remember that there are places in there and you still have to
learn the first,
middle and last leads. However, the first peal of CS10 was in
1822 – long
before place notation. How was the method generated? I doubt
whether it was
from this rule because documents we can read from the </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">time
always want to use 12 words where one would do. It seems to me
that a simple
rule would have been alien to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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"Times New
Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;
mso-bidi-language:AR-SA" lang="EN-US">b.t.w., as far as I can see,
AB’s 4-rules are correct –
but we were talking about a *simple* way of ringing the method –
like the one
for Yorkshire. You saw the incredibly non-easy rule PRK gave for
Albanian! You
don’t learn a rule which is more complicated than learning the
line. (It looked
like a three-volume novel, rather than a simple rule.) Not all
methods have easy rules - or even rules at all - for ringing them.<br>
<br>
Best wishes<br>
Robin</span>
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