<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Richard Smith <<a href="mailto:richard@ex-parrot.com">richard@ex-parrot.com</a>> wrote:</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">> Alliance methods should consist of just hunting and dodging. (I'm of</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">> two minds whether to go further and just say single dodging, but</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">> probably not.) Gluon should not be an alliance method.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">This seems to me to be veering into the "make a tidy classification, regardless of how it accords with common practise" mindset you're wisely arguing we get away from.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">Things with treble paths like Yorkshire Alliance and Akley Little Alliance seem quite popular (by alliance method standards), at least on eight. I've not done an exhaustive analysis, but randomly auditing a handful of the performances of alliance major reported so far this year it appears perhaps half of them use such a treble path. If that audit translates into reality it would seem likely that a majority of actual performances of alliance, at least above minor, wouldn't fit the category you want to define alliance to be. This doesn't seem right.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">If you further limit it to single dodging, as you toy with half-heartedly, it will further leave out, among others, Cantuar, which I'd guess is historically the most frequently rung alliance maximus method, though no longer fashionable these days.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">I can see that some crazy, though symmetrical, hunt bell paths would have little in common with what we think "alliance" means, but limiting it as you've suggested is a baby with the bath water sort of solution. I'm not sure how one might write a definition that limits it to what Potter Stewart would recognize as an alliance method, but I suspect something better than "hunting and dodging only" could be done.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">Perhaps it's something where half the path looks like half a treble dodging path, but with some blows excised? That wouldn't solve the Cantuar double dodge issue, but perhaps thinking further about something like that might provide a solution?</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">Or, more likely, it's not really a problem worthy of solution, and the existing alliance definition is good enough, so long as it's not forced on methods that probably don't want it, like Gluon.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">-- </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">Don Morrison <<a href="mailto:dfm@ringing.org">dfm@ringing.org</a>></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">"With her foot on the threshold she waited a moment longer in a</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">scene which was vanishing even as she looked, and then, as she moved</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">... and left the room, it changed, it shaped itself differently; it</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">had become, she knew, giving one last look at it over her shoulder,</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="courier new, monospace">already the past." -- Virginia Woolf, _To the Lighthouse_</font></div><div style="font-family:"courier new",monospace"><br></div></div>
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