<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I think the confusion is that there are two different types of start here:<div><br></div><div>Starting two rows into a treble dodging method: that is, rounds is at the backstroke snap and the treble misses out the 1-2 up dodge and goes straight up to 3-4.</div><div><br></div><div>Starting a row earlier in a method: that is, rounds is the handstroke and the first change is at backstroke, possibly with a call. I have started a peal of Double Norwich Court Bob Major at backstroke with bells 6, 7 and 8 lying still (a single), and I have started Grandsire Triples and Caters at backstroke with bells 2 and 3 lying still (a Single).</div><div><br></div><div>In CompLib this is described as starting 16, 14 or 18 rows into the lead (of Plain Major, Triples and Caters) as you can’t start -1 rows in.</div><div><br></div><div>E.g. <a href="https://complib.org/composition/37670">https://complib.org/composition/37670</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>James</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>