[Bell Historians] Baldersby and Kingweston

[David Bryant]

Fred does the running maintenance on our bells, so I'll ask him next
time he's up here.

David

Mr J Greenhough wrote:
> 
> Mossley - 1880s I think but I haven't been or heard them. Fred
> Pembleton
> rehung them about 18 months ago. I can ring up someone who'll know if
> you're really desparate!
> 
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:
> 
> > what date are they, and how good?
> >
> > D
> >
> > Mr J Greenhough wrote:
> > >
> > > St.George, Mossley, Gtr.Manch. - rehung recently and not allowed
> to
> > > retune!
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:
> > >
> > > > I should have added that Taylor's also cast some real crap in
> the
> > > 1850s!
> > > > Most of their 1860s stuff, in my experience, is even worse as a
> > > result
> > > > of the Grimthorpe influence - I haven't rung at Mirfield (1869)
> but
> > > they
> > > > are reckoned to be really bad. On the other hand, the 1869 tenor
> at
> > > > Bridgwater has tuned up really well, and is now effectively
> almost
> > > > Simpson. It seems the cae that the really good bells of this era
> are
> > > > usually the larger ones of rings.
> > > >
> > > > It seems difficult to see what Taylor's were up to in these
> decades.
> > > > They could cast good stuff and will certainly have recognised it
> as
> > > > such, and yet they could cast some real junk. I don't think
> anyone's
> > > > really looked into the tonal analysis of Taylor bells from this
> > > period
> > > > on a wide ranging sample. Bill Hibbert (a member of this list)
> is
> > > > currently looking into the transition to Simpson tuning in the
> 1880s
> > > and
> > > > 90s and his conclusions show that Taylor's were in advance of
> > > Simpson -
> > > > hence their refusal to use the term 'Simpson-tuned'. While we're
> on
> > > the
> > > > subject, does anybody have details of any complete 1880s or 90s
> > > Taylor
> > > > rings, preferably 8 or more, which have not been tuned. I'm
> > > certainly
> > > > interested in any bells from this period, and I know Bill is
> also.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > Mr J Greenhough wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > These sound worth a visit, quite the opposite of Healey
> > > (Rochdale): an
> > > > > 1850 Taylor 6 sounding rather T.Mears-ish! The 1845 Taylor
> tenor
> > > at
> > > > > Priors
> > > > > Marston, Warks, is quite good with a slightly flat octave hum.
> > > Better
> > > > > still the 1865 four at Stainby, Lincs, (in original frame &
> fitts)
> > > > > where the
> > > > > hums are 7th on treble, flattening down the scale to the
> octave
> > > tenor
> > > > > which is beautiful. The 1867 17-1-7 in F# at Hope, Gtr.Manch.,
> > > (also
> > > > > still ringable in original inst.) has a very near octave hum
> and a
> > > > > bright
> > > > > tone. Just what did they aim for, and how much control did
> they
> > > have
> > > > > at this
> > > > > time?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > seem risky, a bit like Baldersby!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Baldersby - now there's a tower I must visit. I believe the
> > > bells
> > > > > are
> > > > > > tonally very good (1857 Taylor's, in case anyone didn't
> know).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Taylor's were actually casting some really good stuff in the
> > > 1850s.
> > > > > At
> > > > > > Kingweston in Somerset there is a fascinating 1854
> installation
> > > -
> > > > > real
> > > > > > shoe-horn job! The frame is 2-tier, cast iron H's below, A's
> > > above,
> > > > > on
> > > > > > oak bearers. I believe it's one of Taylor's ealiest cast
> iron
> > > frames
> > > > > -
> > > > > > the cross bars each have a recess in them for the bearing
> brass.
> > > The
> > > > > > bells themselves, a five with a tenor of 14 cwt in E, are
> > > superb.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > back three are maiden, but are very close to Simpson. The
> > > trebles
> > > > > have
> > > > > > been tuned, and are quite good 'old-style'. I have some
> pictures
> > > -
> > > > > If
> > > > > > anyone's interested I can stick a few on the 'pictures'
> section
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > home page for the list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It seems likely that if it wasn't for Lord Grimthorpe and
> his
> > > > > strange
> > > > > > ideas about bell profiles Taylor's would have perfected
> > > > > true-harmonic
> > > > > > tuning much earlier than they did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
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