Seage was an engineer of Exeter. I think there might be something in Jennings' bell fittings book. I might have some notes at home. One of the teachers at the secondary school I went to was a descendant of Seage, and I remember talking to him about it. David Freeserve AnyTime - HALF PRICE for the first 3 months - Save £7.50 a month www.freeserve.com/anytime