[Bell Historians] Canon removal and faculties

[tom blyth]

Well actually it isnt the opposite because when a bell is hung out it slows 
it up, and when tucked up it will increase in speed but YES like you sed it 
can work as a counterbalance but only if its tuck up to a certain amount 
were normally on any CHANGR RINGING bell it wouldn't or shouldn't be tucked 
up to such appoint that a counterbalance affect will take place.
T L Blyth
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Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Canon removal and faculties


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> AWRW;
>>I can think of a few old style wood headstock
>> bells that shift fast enough.
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> Seconded. There are many bells in and around Bristol on Wooden
> stocks that fly round, compared to a modern ring of comparable size!
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> I feel that it is a feature of the bellhanging industry in general
> and a general misconception among ringers that tucking up makes for
> faster ringing.
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> I feel the problem with sluggish bells is really down to the hanging
> geometry used nowadays, they are not hung out enough. Everyone
> appears to think that tucking a bell and having small wheels makes
> bells ring faster... I would put the case that it is quite the
> opposite.
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> The more the bells in a ring are tucked up the more 'counter
> ballance' that the bell is providing by itself alone (added to this
> the effect of the heavier modern metal headstock).
> The crown of the bell is closer to the gudgoens than it would have
> been on its older style hanging geometry. As a consequence to this
> it is then possible to fit a smaller wheel on the bell (giving less
> mechanical leverage over it). On a complete rehang and augmentation
> project it is commonly possible to fit more bells into the same
> space less came out of as a result of 'tucking up'!!!
> Added to this is the fact that hanging the bell out slightly
> increases the potential energy in the bell when it is up, which is
> transfered to kinetic energy when the bell is moving through a
> circle, this causes the scalar speed at bottom dead centre to be
> faster than when the bell is tucked up.
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> I think there is a commonly held belief that 'modern' styles of
> hanging have got to be better...but why??!
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> There are plenty of rings of bells that have been re-hung recently
> and do not have individual character to their ring-abilty on the end
> of the rope, they are nowadays all the same to ring, the only
> difference being that the sound different to the last ring.
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> One significant advantage of hanging bells further out, is that it
> is far easier to get bells to clapper correctly, because you can use
> a relativley short crown staple for the same equivalent throw of a
> modern hang, and have a longer and thus slower swinging clapper with
> no counterballance, and as a result have a big bell that goes up
> right easily!! - they used to get it right, its not all down to the
> material the clapper is made of!!
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> There is just as much character in the way a bell (or ring) has been
> hung as there is in the sound of the individual bell. Shouldnt we be
> conserving the hanging styles aswell as the bells?
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> Philip M Pratt.
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