[Bell Historians] Major third bells

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Mon Oct 16 13:41:29 BST 2006

Quoting from G&J Tuning Book Vol 11, p49. Kidderminster. Work was done on 
the bells on 1935 where most of the old bells were retuned. The details I 
have are:
No 12. 51 13/16" dia; 24-2-22 in D; Jan 11th 1935 [there are other 
unrelevant details]
As Cast,  Correct with itself, Correct with Peal, As Tuned.
176          147                      146 1/4                 173
304          294                      292 1/2                 302
366          353                      351                       364
533          441                      439                       527
589          588                      585                       585
                                            731                       852
                                            1560                     1524

Does this solve anything? Alan Buswell.
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Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Major third bells

> Please excuse typos, smelling mistrakes etc., as I've only just got back 
> from the pub.
>>"I was looking at the tuning of the old tenor at Kidderminster for some
>>other purposes and happened to notice that it had a major tierce:
>>821.5 cents below the nominal or 378.5 cents above the strike -
>>sharper than the tierce of the major third bell in Taylor's museum.
>>The bell, of course, was Mears 1857 and I assume had no trace of a
>>bulge in the waist. (Mind you, the rest of the partials were pretty
>>chaotic!) Accident or design?"
> Almost certainly accident.  The Tierce is more heavily dependent on the 
> Hum than it is on the profile - with the exception of Victorian Warner 
> bells (those which remain in one piece, before anyone else comments), 
> bells with very sharp Hums also tend to have sharp Tierces.  When I 
> analysed it, I seem to remember that the Hum of the old Kidderminster 
> Tenor was in the vicinity of a flat sixth.  For a given Hum, Nominal and 
> profile, the Tierce will also vary slightly with the Quint - a flatter 
> Quint means the high waist will be thinner and the low waist will be 
> thicker, giving a sharper Tierce.
>>I think the tenor at the Spurriergate Centre in York has a tierce pretty
>>close to a major third - the bell is by Thomas Innocent, 1466. Taylor's
>>tuned the bells in 1986, so they may be able to confirm or refute this - I
>>don't have tonal analysis figures for the bells.
> Many ancient bells have sharper Tierces than one would expect for the 
> Hums, as the soundbows are often quite dumpy, as with early larger G&J 
> bells.
> Benjamin Kipling
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