From ronald.east at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  1 09:00:02 2020
From: ronald.east at btinternet.com (RON EAST)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 08:00:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Bell Historians] People's perception of pitches in bell sounds
In-Reply-To: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
References: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
Message-ID: <403003006.15242094.1596268802880@mail.yahoo.com>

 HiThere are, sadly, problems with the construction of the survey. I hope these comments will help the student to improve the design.Q11: Do you have a musical education? I answered NOQ12: If yes, how long have you been making music? I did not answer this question because my answer was NO to Q11. However, the survey would not let you leave the page until some time period had been selected.Q16: How much do you know about bell tower? Is this a piece of software called Bell Tower or should the question have been 'What do you know about a bell tower'?I did not get further in the survey than that page.RegardsRon East

    On Friday, 31 July 2020, 10:44:23 BST, Dickon Love <dickon at lovesguide.com> wrote:  
 
 
I am sending the following request on behalf of my friend, Scott Orr from UCL Institute for Sustainable Heritage https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/heritage/ . I hope you will be interested in completing this short survey which will be supporting research into the area of bell sounds.

  

As part of a student research project on the MSc Data Science for Cultural Heritage at UCL, we invite you to complete a short survey on the perception of strike notes in large bells, available at:

https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5699703/People-s-perception-of-pitches-in-bell-sounds

Feel free to share with anyone who might be interested. We are keen to include people both with and without musical backgrounds regardless of specialist knowledge pertaining to bells.

Thank you in advance for your time.

  

DrL

  


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From john at jaharrison.me.uk  Sat Aug  1 09:47:09 2020
From: john at jaharrison.me.uk (John Harrison)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 09:47:09 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] People's perception of pitches in bell sounds
In-Reply-To: <403003006.15242094.1596268802880@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
 <403003006.15242094.1596268802880@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <58991e9f40john@jaharrison.me.uk>

In article <403003006.15242094.1596268802880 at mail.yahoo.com>,
   RON EAST via Bell-historians <bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk>
wrote:
>  sadly, problems with the construction of the survey ...

I too had problems.  I answered no to musical education but added bell and
voice to performance instruments, and I put down the average time per day I
spent ringing.  And I got to the end of the consent/demographics section
(24% of the whole).

The problem came with the way the sound comparisons were presented.  You
had to listen to 10 seconds each of the bell and then 5 pure tones and then
say which of the tones you heard in the bell.  

That way exceeds the capacity of short term memory (unless you are musical
enough to listen to the bell and make a mental not C, F#, C or whatever. 
To do the task I would need to switch fairly quickly between tone and bell,
but that was impossible.  

I heard two distinct tones (one when it struck and one during the hum) and
identified '1' but lost track of what the second was.  So I gave up.  

I would have liked to help, but even if I'd struggled on I doubt my answers
would have been very reliable.

-- 
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk


From lauradi at rcn.com  Sat Aug  1 12:54:50 2020
From: lauradi at rcn.com (lauradi at rcn.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 07:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Bell Historians] People's perception of pitches in bell sounds
In-Reply-To: <58991e9f40john@jaharrison.me.uk>
Message-ID: <212877465.5915860.1596282890133.JavaMail.root@rcn.com>

I do wonder whether the person who wrote the survey asked anybody to proof-read it. I realize I speak and write a different form of English, but 
there were things I think might have been grammatically wrong anywhere, and there were a few mistakes that I thought might have been cut and paste errors. 
There were a couple of nice things about the survey design. It lets one go back and change answers. I changed my musical education answer from no to yes, upon reflection, and was glad to be able to explain the decision in a comment box. I decided that anyone who had done some amount of musical ensemble work (played in a band, sung in an a cappella group) would have had the experience of matching the pitch or tone of other performers, and that's what they were looking for. Probably. 
I have no idea if I got any of the answer "right." 


Laura Dickerson 
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From c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  1 13:12:56 2020
From: c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com (Chris Pickford)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:12:56 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] People's perception of pitches in bell sounds
In-Reply-To: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
References: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
Message-ID: <04e201d667fd$17521350$45f639f0$@btinternet.com>

I hope that Scott will be able to access the constructive criticisms posted
so far - especially if (as I sense) some people may have embarked on a
response without completing it (so the attempt - and any comments - will go
unseen). 

 

Having been responsible for a national user survey for some years, I'd
comment that - since nobody undertaking a survey wants to gather dud
information - that most questions in a survey like this ought to have a box
"I am unable to offer a meaningful response to this question" - perhaps even
with supplementaries a) "because I don't understand" and b) "because what I
want to say doesn't fit the available response options"

 

It won't generally happen (for a host of reasons) - and not just with this
particular survey - but something along these lines would help to avoid an
awful lot of misleading responses being collected and analysed. 

 

Of course, the worst surveys in this respect are those that won't allow you
to skip a question - so you tick anything just to move on. That can't result
in good data being collected!

 

Chris Pickford

E-mail pickford5040 at gmail.com 

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From dickon at lovesguide.com  Sat Aug  1 13:39:15 2020
From: dickon at lovesguide.com (Dickon Love)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 13:39:15 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] People's perception of pitches in bell sounds
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References: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
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CJP: "I hope that Scott will be able to access the constructive criticisms
posted so far - especially if (as I sense) some people may have embarked on
a response without completing it (so the attempt - and any comments - will
go unseen)."

 

Scott is a member of this list, so I am sure he appreciates the constructive
comments made.

 

Thanks.

 

DrL



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From john at jaharrison.me.uk  Sat Aug  1 14:33:40 2020
From: john at jaharrison.me.uk (John Harrison)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2020 14:33:40 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] People's perception of pitches in bell sounds
In-Reply-To: <0a1c01d66800$c77d3a90$5677afb0$@lovesguide.com>
References: <01b301d6671f$1a4c6670$4ee53350$@lovesguide.com>
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 <0a1c01d66800$c77d3a90$5677afb0$@lovesguide.com>
Message-ID: <589938da89john@jaharrison.me.uk>

In article <0a1c01d66800$c77d3a90$5677afb0$@lovesguide.com>,
   Dickon Love <dickon at lovesguide.com> wrote:
> "I hope that Scott will be able to access the constructive criticisms
> posted ...

> Scott is a member of this list,

He's already corresponded with me privately about my comment.

-- 
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk


From pickford5040 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 22:02:05 2020
From: pickford5040 at gmail.com (Chris Pickford)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 22:02:05 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Zoom talk - the Bells of the National Trust
 (Monday 3 August, 9pm)
Message-ID: <083501d66847$0361dc00$0a259400$@gmail.com>

Circulated on behalf of John Martin, (Secretary, Guild of Devonshire Ringers) 


Monday 3rd August, 9pm
Bells of the National Trust
Chris Pickford, notable bell historian and one of the bells advisers to the National Trust will present an illustrated talk showing some of the more unusual bells at National Trust properties, including a number here in Devon. There is one Trust ring - Staunton Harold, in Leicestershire - and Chris will give us some insight into these interesting bells and the possibility of them being made "occasionally ringable" again.

Topic: Bells of the National Trust
Time: Aug 3, 2020 09:00 PM London

Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85356873082?pwd=U1dBakw5MDlxL2ZBNzNYNU45dzVNZz09

Meeting ID: 853 5687 3082
Passcode: 439751



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From mikechester at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:27:56 2020
From: mikechester at hotmail.com (Mike Chester)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 14:27:56 +0000
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
Message-ID: <LO3P265MB17712D208D06B84FCD012088BB4D0@LO3P265MB1771.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have had a query about a cast iron bell frameside that has been spotted outside the church with Bond of Burford inscribed on it.

Taylor's did work on the bells in 1935. Can anyone tell me when the Bond frameside might have been installed?

Mike
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From c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  3 16:15:36 2020
From: c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com (Chris Pickford)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 16:15:36 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
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The Bond frame types are identified - with their date-ranges - in Bellframes
(1993). They are:

 

*         Composite (cast iron webs between timber sills and heads) type
7.C.b and 7.C.c (all a few years either side of 1900)

 

*         All-metal composite (cast iron webs with steel sills and heads)
type 8.2.C.a (e.g. Shenington 1926)

 

*         Cast iron type 8.3.A.f and slight variations (amended date range
(i.e. not 1911 as published) 1933-1938)

 

*         Girder frames - though not relevant here - 1896-1910

 

Henry Bond senior did a job at Great Barrington in 1862. The casting could
possibly be of that date (if it's like Henry's composite 7.D.a at Westcote
for which there is no proven date, though 1855 OR 1902 seem to be the
possible dates). Otherwise it's likely to be later - and most probably a
casting from a single truss rather than part of (i.e. representative of) a
whole frame. I may be able to find a record of what existed before 1935 in
the Taylor records.

 

It would be helpful to see a photo of the casting in order to determine what
sort of truss it came from

 

Chris Pickford

E-mail pickford5040 at gmail.com 

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From mikechester at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  3 16:18:28 2020
From: mikechester at hotmail.com (Mike Chester)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:18:28 +0000
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
In-Reply-To: <0dc001d669a8$f08ca660$d1a5f320$@btinternet.com>
References: <LO3P265MB17712D208D06B84FCD012088BB4D0@LO3P265MB1771.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
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[Image]

This is the frameside. It is by T Bond.
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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 4:15:36 PM
To: 'Bell Historians Mailing List' <bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk>
Cc: Chris Pickford <c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington


The Bond frame types are identified – with their date-ranges – in Bellframes (1993). They are:



·         Composite (cast iron webs between timber sills and heads) type 7.C.b and 7.C.c (all a few years either side of 1900)



·         All-metal composite (cast iron webs with steel sills and heads) type 8.2.C.a (e.g. Shenington 1926)



·         Cast iron type 8.3.A.f and slight variations (amended date range (i.e. not 1911 as published) 1933-1938)



·         Girder frames – though not relevant here – 1896-1910



Henry Bond senior did a job at Great Barrington in 1862. The casting could possibly be of that date (if it’s like Henry’s composite 7.D.a at Westcote for which there is no proven date, though 1855 OR 1902 seem to be the possible dates). Otherwise it’s likely to be later – and most probably a casting from a single truss rather than part of (i.e. representative of) a whole frame. I may be able to find a record of what existed before 1935 in the Taylor records.



It would be helpful to see a photo of the casting in order to determine what sort of truss it came from



Chris Pickford

E-mail pickford5040 at gmail.com
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From gjclifton at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  3 20:34:51 2020
From: gjclifton at btinternet.com (GRAHAM CLIFTON)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 19:34:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
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I think that frame is outside Taynton church. When White's remuddled the frame there one frameside was left over. The locals were going to display it somewhere. 
Graham Clifton 

   
 
 
 

 



  
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From georgebellringer at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 21:04:41 2020
From: georgebellringer at gmail.com (georgebellringer at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:04:41 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
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There were two, the other one is at the Bellfoundry Museum

 

G

 

From: Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of GRAHAM CLIFTON via Bell-historians
Sent: 03 August 2020 20:35
To: Bell Historians Mailing List
Cc: GRAHAM CLIFTON
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington

 

I think that frame is outside Taynton church. When White's remuddled the frame there one frameside was left over. The locals were going to display it somewhere. 

 

Graham Clifton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From mikechester at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  3 21:35:24 2020
From: mikechester at hotmail.com (Mike Chester)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:35:24 +0000
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
In-Reply-To: <006301d669d1$539d7e00$fad87a00$@com>
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Mystery solved!

You are correct. The frame is from Taynton. In fact, the photo was taken at Taynton by a ringer on their way to Gt Barrington and mislabelled!

Many thanks

Mike
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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:04:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington


There were two, the other one is at the Bellfoundry Museum



G



From: Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of GRAHAM CLIFTON via Bell-historians
Sent: 03 August 2020 20:35
To: Bell Historians Mailing List
Cc: GRAHAM CLIFTON
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I think that frame is outside Taynton church. When White's remuddled the frame there one frameside was left over. The locals were going to display it somewhere.



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From john.eborbells at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 08:20:48 2020
From: john.eborbells at gmail.com (John Arthur)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 08:20:48 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Zoom talk - the Bells of the National Trust
 (Monday 3 August, 9pm)
In-Reply-To: <083501d66847$0361dc00$0a259400$@gmail.com>
References: <083501d66847$0361dc00$0a259400$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGc_5jHpLcOzKXUVaA=X_CTgmuF0ED1aHqBN_UUj-7NEukPQOA@mail.gmail.com>

Can thank those of us from more distant parts thank Chris for his
excellent talk last night and John Martin from allowing us to "visit".

John Arthur

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On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 at 22:04, Chris Pickford <pickford5040 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Circulated on behalf of John Martin, (Secretary, Guild of Devonshire
> Ringers)
>
>
>
> *Monday 3rd August, 9pmBells of the National Trust*
> Chris Pickford, notable bell historian and one of the bells advisers to
> the National Trust will present an illustrated talk showing some of the
> more unusual bells at National Trust properties, including a number here in
> Devon. There is one Trust ring - Staunton Harold, in Leicestershire - and
> Chris will give us some insight into these interesting bells and the
> possibility of them being made "occasionally ringable" again.
>
> Topic: Bells of the National Trust
> Time: Aug 3, 2020 09:00 PM London
>
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85356873082?pwd=U1dBakw5MDlxL2ZBNzNYNU45dzVNZz09
>
> Meeting ID: 853 5687 3082
> Passcode: 439751
>
> Visitors welcome!
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From c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  5 08:56:55 2020
From: c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com (Chris Pickford)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:56:55 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Bells in Cornwall talk - change to Zoom meeting
 details
Message-ID: <138901d66afd$fcbd1a90$f6374fb0$@btinternet.com>

Further to my earlier posting advertising my Zoom talk for the Truro Guild
about "Bells in Cornwall", this is a quick update. It will take place (as
previously stated) on Sunday 16 August at 8pm. 

 

First, the meeting details have been changed. You can still access the link
via the TDGR homepage  <https://tdgr.org.uk/> https://tdgr.org.uk/ (scroll
down for the calendar), but the full details are now available here:

 

Topic: TDGR Webinar with Chris Pickford - Bells in Cornwall (Please note
that this will be recorded for the TDGR archive)

Time: Aug 16, 2020 20:00 London

 

Join Zoom Meeting

 <https://zoom.us/j/98021178531?pwd=eG9OQnVUVjNGY0o0RFNWb3lMM2Qydz09>
https://zoom.us/j/98021178531?pwd=eG9OQnVUVjNGY0o0RFNWb3lMM2Qydz09

 

Meeting ID: 980 2117 8531

Passcode: 135246

 

Second, under GDPR the Guild is required to include the following wording in
all advertisements: Please note that this Webinar will be recorded and
hosted on YouTube, available via the TDGR website. If you do not wish to be
part of the recording, please press STOP VIDEO and mute yourself.

 

If you fancy a campanological trip to Cornwall, then why not come along?

 

This is just to give advance notice. I'll post a further reminder a couple
of days beforehand

 

Chris Pickford

E-mail  <mailto:pickford5040 at gmail.com> pickford5040 at gmail.com 

 

 

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From david at thekloof.co.uk  Wed Aug  5 16:03:15 2020
From: david at thekloof.co.uk (David Kelly)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 16:03:15 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
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I believe the former Bond of Burford treble bell at Taynton and its frame
went to the Tolsey Museum in Burford.

 

Dave

 

From: Bell-historians <bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> On
Behalf Of Mike Chester
Sent: 03 August 2020 21:35
To: Bell Historians Mailing List <bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington

 

Mystery solved!

You are correct. The frame is from Taynton. In fact, the photo was taken at
Taynton by a ringer on their way to Gt Barrington and mislabelled!

Many thanks 

Mike

  _____  

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behalf of georgebellringer at gmail.com <georgebellringer at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 9:04:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington 

 

There were two, the other one is at the Bellfoundry Museum

 

G

 

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[mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of
GRAHAM CLIFTON via Bell-historians
Sent: 03 August 2020 20:35
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Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington

 

I think that frame is outside Taynton church. When White's remuddled the
frame there one frameside was left over. The locals were going to display it
somewhere. 

 

Graham Clifton

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From gjclifton at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  5 18:31:41 2020
From: gjclifton at btinternet.com (GRAHAM CLIFTON)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:31:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Bell Historians] Great Barrington
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The old treble bell only went to the musem, no frame or headstock.
The old frame was for eight bells, it was rebuild as a six bell frame.
Graham  

    On Wednesday, 5 August 2020, 16:03:42 BST, David Kelly <david at thekloof.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
I believe the former Bond of Burford treble bell at Taynton and its frame went to the Tolsey Museum in Burford.

  

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From georgebellringer at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 13:36:22 2020
From: georgebellringer at gmail.com (georgebellringer at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:36:22 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Church Bells ofNottinghamshire Part 4
Message-ID: <003401d66cb7$5c544590$14fcd0b0$@com>

After 22 years of prevarication, and Covid 19, the last part  of the above
book is finished & off to the printers.

So if you want a copy at the pre-publication price of £15 (and thereafter at
£18) postage included, send a cheque to me at:

 

George Dawson

The Old Post House

112 Main Street

Willoughby on the Wolds

Near Loughborough

Leicestershire

LE12 6SZ

 

 

Regards

 

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From matthewhigby at aol.com  Fri Aug  7 14:35:46 2020
From: matthewhigby at aol.com (Matthew Higby)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 13:35:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Bell Historians] Church Bells ofNottinghamshire Part 4
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Do you have paypal or could you send me you bank details for a bacs payment please George??
Best wishes,
Matthew


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From dovemaster at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:45:19 2020
From: dovemaster at gmail.com (John Baldwin)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:45:19 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Church Bells ofNottinghamshire Part 4
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I too would like to pay by BACS please George if you'd let me know the sort
code, a/c no, and  a/c name.

Thanks

On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 14:36, Matthew Higby via Bell-historians <
bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:

> Do you have paypal or could you send me you bank details for a bacs
> payment please George??
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Matthew
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> To: 'Bell Historians Mailing List' <
> bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 7, 2020 1:36 pm
> Subject: [Bell Historians] Church Bells ofNottinghamshire Part 4
>
> After 22 years of prevarication, and Covid 19, the last part  of the above
> book is finished & off to the printers.
> So if you want a copy at the pre-publication price of £15 (and thereafter
> at £18) postage included, send a cheque to me at:
>
> George Dawson
> The Old Post House
> 112 Main Street
> Willoughby on the Wolds
> Near Loughborough
> Leicestershire
> LE12 6SZ
>
>
> Regards
>
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From nick.churchman at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 16:11:47 2020
From: nick.churchman at gmail.com (Nick Churchman)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 16:11:47 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Church Bells ofNottinghamshire Part 4
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Hi George,

Hope you are safe and well?

Cheques payable to 'George Dawson' I assume?

Regards,

Nick


On Fri, 7 Aug 2020, 13:38 , <georgebellringer at gmail.com> wrote:

> After 22 years of prevarication, and Covid 19, the last part  of the above
> book is finished & off to the printers.
>
> So if you want a copy at the pre-publication price of £15 (and thereafter
> at £18) postage included, send a cheque to me at:
>
>
>
> George Dawson
>
> The Old Post House
>
> 112 Main Street
>
> Willoughby on the Wolds
>
> Near Loughborough
>
> Leicestershire
>
> LE12 6SZ
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> George
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From dsloman261 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 18:59:38 2020
From: dsloman261 at gmail.com (David Sloman)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 18:59:38 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Church Bells ofNottinghamshire Part 4
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George,
I would like to pay by BACS please.
Regards,
David Sloman

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:14 PM Nick Churchman <nick.churchman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> Hope you are safe and well?
>
> Cheques payable to 'George Dawson' I assume?
>
> Regards,
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Aug 2020, 13:38 , <georgebellringer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After 22 years of prevarication, and Covid 19, the last part  of the
>> above book is finished & off to the printers.
>>
>> So if you want a copy at the pre-publication price of £15 (and thereafter
>> at £18) postage included, send a cheque to me at:
>>
>>
>>
>> George Dawson
>>
>> The Old Post House
>>
>> 112 Main Street
>>
>> Willoughby on the Wolds
>>
>> Near Loughborough
>>
>> Leicestershire
>>
>> LE12 6SZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>> _______________________________________________
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From: brendatherainbowluddite at hotmail.co.uk (Brenda Rockall)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:53:15 +0000
Subject: [Bell Historians] REMINDER: Bells in Cornwall - talk this Sunday
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​Hello

I am Brenda, Peter Rivet's wife. Peter's email is linked to his physical computer which does not have a webcam.

When Peter attends zoom meets such as the Blackburn DAC he uses my laptop and  my email, please could you send me the link so Peter can attend, this is what the DAC does.

This also means that he attends as "Groovy Rainbow" although this can be changed we are not sure how to do it and if it is changed please change it back at the end of the meeting. Just in the same way Peter does not identify as "Groovy Rainbow" I do not identify as "Peter Rivet".

Thank you

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From georgebellringer at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 11:38:28 2020
From: georgebellringer at gmail.com (georgebellringer at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 11:38:28 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] CBNotts Part 4
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For those patiently waiting for the latest book I must apologise for the
delay owing to an mistake by the printers. Hopefully it should be with me by
the end of the week.

 

George

 

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From georgebellringer at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 16:24:42 2020
From: georgebellringer at gmail.com (georgebellringer at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:24:42 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
Message-ID: <003801d67af3$db76b5c0$92642140$@com>

Whilst going through some stuff I came across his name as a bell founder.

Does anyone know anything about him?

 

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From gtbartonbells at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 16:57:54 2020
From: gtbartonbells at gmail.com (Neal Dodge)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 16:57:54 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
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Caleb was a small time Cornish bell founder based around Padstow, I think he’s known for being a clockmaker. Short piece from the 1954 RW attached (p138). 

Other references here 
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=HtxSAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA528&lpg=PA528&dq=Caleb+Boney+bells&source=bl&ots=KXBEeW_0GW&sig=ACfU3U1_WtI2HBr7vc9zzpfMR1YuoyxbXg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiS6MrV17brAhU4ThUIHW_tB3Y4ChDoATABegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=Caleb%20Boney%20bells&f=false

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/18517/page/1951/data.pdf

https://www.stsennenchurch.org.uk/about-st-sennen-church/the-church-bells/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192241436/caleb-bone

Thanks
Neal Dodge 





> On 25 Aug 2020, at 16:24, <georgebellringer at gmail.com> <georgebellringer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Whilst going through some stuff I came across his name as a bell founder.
> Does anyone know anything about him?
>  
> George
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From peter at plrivet.plus.com  Tue Aug 25 17:14:36 2020
From: peter at plrivet.plus.com (Peter Rivet)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 17:14:36 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
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Given the links between clockmakers and bell founders, could it be this man
in Cornwall?

 

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192241436/caleb-boney

 

Peter Rivet

 

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Whilst going through some stuff I came across his name as a bell founder.

Does anyone know anything about him?

 

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From c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 25 18:48:45 2020
From: c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com (Chris Pickford)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 18:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
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I think these are the only bells he cast - none surviving now

 


1802

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

St.Minver

St.Menefreda

Cornwall

Recast

4/5

31.25

5-2-x

A

Recast Warner 1875

Dunkin


1810

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

Sennen

St.Sennen

Cornwall

Recast

2/3

31.75

5-2-x

A

Recast M&S 1889

Dunkin, WBF


1810

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

Sennen

St.Sennen

Cornwall

Recast

3/3

33.75

7-0-x

A

Recast M&S 1889

Dunkin, WBF


1814

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

Sancreed

St.Sancredus

Cornwall

Recast

2/3

32.5

6-1-20

L

Recast JT&Co 1882

Dunkin, JT&Co

 

There is a reference to Boney in the book by Canon H. Miles Brown on Cornish
clockmakers:

 

Moving further north in the county, we meet one of the most versatile and
widely-known of Cornish clockmakers, Caleb Boney of Padstow. A published
note at the time of his death in 1826 states that he was born at St Teath in
1747, and had little or no formal schooling. After teaching himself to read
and write Boney found employment at Delabole. From that village he went off
to Liskeard to work in a solicitor's office, but was frequently in trouble
for reading in bed at night. Returning to North Cornwall he became a
self-taught carpenter at Camelford, and then turned to clock and watch
making at Padstow, which remained his residence until his death in November
1826. Two other Calebs, a son and a grandson, were in the same line of
business. The former went bankrupt in 1828. / Several elaborate timepieces
and astronomical clocks were made at Padstow by Boney, some of which are
still extant and are described in the next chapter. There are many more
ordinary clocks made by him in existence. Boney was also something of a
musician, much in demand for tuning instruments, and from about 1806 he
included bell-founding among his many pursuits. Dunkin, in Church Bells of
Cornwall, 1878, traces four bells bearing the name Boney in Cornish towers -
St Minver, Sancreed, and two at Sennen. He also appears in the Kenwyn,
Truro, parish accounts as journeying from Padstow to see the bells there and
to give an estimate for their new casting. At the age of 78 he rode the 41
miles to Hayle to tune bells recast at the Hayle Copperhouse Foundry for
Helston Church. / After Boney's death the schoolmaster of St Merryn, one
Chapman, blossomed into 'verse' in his praise - "Sun, moon and planets he
did make, Like to Sir Isaac's notion, And neatly fixed them to his time,
Which set them all in motion." (H. Miles Brown, Cornish Clocks and
Clockmakers, 3rd. ed. (1980) pp.31-2)

 

. and I found a newspaper reference to a clock he had made:

 

Sale advertisement of the household furniture of Edward Arthur Esq, of
Trevanson, near Wadebridge - mentions a Geographical and Astronomical Clock
(by Caleb Boney) (Royal Cornwall Gazette, Saturday 23 September 1820)

 

Otherwise Neal Dodge and Peter Rivet have already provided most of what is
known (including some that's new to me - so thanks)

 

Chris Pickford

E-mail:  <mailto:pickford5040 at gmail.com> pickford5040 at gmail.com 

 

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Sent: 25 August 2020 16:25
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Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney

 

Whilst going through some stuff I came across his name as a bell founder.

Does anyone know anything about him?

 

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From dsloman261 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 21:18:35 2020
From: dsloman261 at gmail.com (David Sloman)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 21:18:35 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
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Cannon mentions the old four of five being by Caleb Boney at St. Issey, the
bell being broken in the fall of the tower in 1869.

David Sloman

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 6:49 PM Chris Pickford via Bell-historians <
bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:

> I think these are the only bells he cast – none surviving now
>
>
>
> 1802
>
> Boney, Caleb
>
> Padstow
>
> St.Minver
>
> St.Menefreda
>
> Cornwall
>
> Recast
>
> 4/5
>
> 31.25
>
> 5-2-x
>
> A
>
> Recast Warner 1875
>
> Dunkin
>
> 1810
>
> Boney, Caleb
>
> Padstow
>
> Sennen
>
> St.Sennen
>
> Cornwall
>
> Recast
>
> 2/3
>
> 31.75
>
> 5-2-x
>
> A
>
> Recast M&S 1889
>
> Dunkin, WBF
>
> 1810
>
> Boney, Caleb
>
> Padstow
>
> Sennen
>
> St.Sennen
>
> Cornwall
>
> Recast
>
> 3/3
>
> 33.75
>
> 7-0-x
>
> A
>
> Recast M&S 1889
>
> Dunkin, WBF
>
> 1814
>
> Boney, Caleb
>
> Padstow
>
> Sancreed
>
> St.Sancredus
>
> Cornwall
>
> Recast
>
> 2/3
>
> 32.5
>
> 6-1-20
>
> L
>
> Recast JT&Co 1882
>
> Dunkin, JT&Co
>
>
>
> There is a reference to Boney in the book by Canon H. Miles Brown on
> Cornish clockmakers:
>
>
>
> Moving further north in the county, we meet one of the most versatile and
> widely-known of Cornish clockmakers, Caleb Boney of Padstow. A published
> note at the time of his death in 1826 states that he was born at St Teath
> in 1747, and had little or no formal schooling. After teaching himself to
> read and write Boney found employment at Delabole. From that village he
> went off to Liskeard to work in a solicitor's office, but was frequently in
> trouble for reading in bed at night. Returning to North Cornwall he became
> a self-taught carpenter at Camelford, and then turned to clock and watch
> making at Padstow, which remained his residence until his death in November
> 1826. Two other Calebs, a son and a grandson, were in the same line of
> business. The former went bankrupt in 1828. / Several elaborate timepieces
> and astronomical clocks were made at Padstow by Boney, some of which are
> still extant and are described in the next chapter. There are many more
> ordinary clocks made by him in existence. Boney was also something of a
> musician, much in demand for tuning instruments, and from about 1806 he
> included bell-founding among his many pursuits. Dunkin, in Church Bells of
> Cornwall, 1878, traces four bells bearing the name Boney in Cornish towers
> - St Minver, Sancreed, and two at Sennen. He also appears in the Kenwyn,
> Truro, parish accounts as journeying from Padstow to see the bells there
> and to give an estimate for their new casting. At the age of 78 he rode the
> 41 miles to Hayle to tune bells recast at the Hayle Copperhouse Foundry for
> Helston Church. / After Boney's death the schoolmaster of St Merryn, one
> Chapman, blossomed into 'verse' in his praise - “Sun, moon and planets he
> did make, Like to Sir Isaac's notion, And neatly fixed them to his time,
> Which set them all in motion.” (H. Miles Brown, *Cornish Clocks and
> Clockmakers*, 3rd. ed. (1980) pp.31-2)
>
>
>
> … and I found a newspaper reference to a clock he had made:
>
>
>
> Sale advertisement of the household furniture of Edward Arthur Esq, of
> Trevanson, near Wadebridge - mentions a Geographical and Astronomical Clock
> (by Caleb Boney) (*Royal Cornwall Gazette*, Saturday 23 September 1820)
>
>
>
> Otherwise Neal Dodge and Peter Rivet have already provided most of what is
> known (including some that’s new to me – so thanks)
>
>
>
> *Chris Pickford*
>
> E-mail: pickford5040 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Bell-historians [mailto:
> bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *
> georgebellringer at gmail.com
> *Sent:* 25 August 2020 16:25
> *To:* 'Bell Historians Mailing List'
> *Subject:* [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
>
>
>
> Whilst going through some stuff I came across his name as a bell founder.
>
> Does anyone know anything about him?
>
>
>
> George
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From georgebellringer at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:06:22 2020
From: georgebellringer at gmail.com (georgebellringer at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:06:22 +0100
Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney
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Thanks for all.

I trust you have recovered from your holiday?

 

G

 

From: Bell-historians
[mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of Chris
Pickford via Bell-historians
Sent: 25 August 2020 18:49
To: 'Bell Historians Mailing List'
Cc: Chris Pickford
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney

 

I think these are the only bells he cast - none surviving now

 


1802

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

St.Minver

St.Menefreda

Cornwall

Recast

4/5

31.25

5-2-x

A

Recast Warner 1875

Dunkin


1810

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

Sennen

St.Sennen

Cornwall

Recast

2/3

31.75

5-2-x

A

Recast M&S 1889

Dunkin, WBF


1810

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

Sennen

St.Sennen

Cornwall

Recast

3/3

33.75

7-0-x

A

Recast M&S 1889

Dunkin, WBF


1814

Boney, Caleb

Padstow

Sancreed

St.Sancredus

Cornwall

Recast

2/3

32.5

6-1-20

L

Recast JT&Co 1882

Dunkin, JT&Co

 

There is a reference to Boney in the book by Canon H. Miles Brown on Cornish
clockmakers:

 

Moving further north in the county, we meet one of the most versatile and
widely-known of Cornish clockmakers, Caleb Boney of Padstow. A published
note at the time of his death in 1826 states that he was born at St Teath in
1747, and had little or no formal schooling. After teaching himself to read
and write Boney found employment at Delabole. From that village he went off
to Liskeard to work in a solicitor's office, but was frequently in trouble
for reading in bed at night. Returning to North Cornwall he became a
self-taught carpenter at Camelford, and then turned to clock and watch
making at Padstow, which remained his residence until his death in November
1826. Two other Calebs, a son and a grandson, were in the same line of
business. The former went bankrupt in 1828. / Several elaborate timepieces
and astronomical clocks were made at Padstow by Boney, some of which are
still extant and are described in the next chapter. There are many more
ordinary clocks made by him in existence. Boney was also something of a
musician, much in demand for tuning instruments, and from about 1806 he
included bell-founding among his many pursuits. Dunkin, in Church Bells of
Cornwall, 1878, traces four bells bearing the name Boney in Cornish towers -
St Minver, Sancreed, and two at Sennen. He also appears in the Kenwyn,
Truro, parish accounts as journeying from Padstow to see the bells there and
to give an estimate for their new casting. At the age of 78 he rode the 41
miles to Hayle to tune bells recast at the Hayle Copperhouse Foundry for
Helston Church. / After Boney's death the schoolmaster of St Merryn, one
Chapman, blossomed into 'verse' in his praise - "Sun, moon and planets he
did make, Like to Sir Isaac's notion, And neatly fixed them to his time,
Which set them all in motion." (H. Miles Brown, Cornish Clocks and
Clockmakers, 3rd. ed. (1980) pp.31-2)

 

. and I found a newspaper reference to a clock he had made:

 

Sale advertisement of the household furniture of Edward Arthur Esq, of
Trevanson, near Wadebridge - mentions a Geographical and Astronomical Clock
(by Caleb Boney) (Royal Cornwall Gazette, Saturday 23 September 1820)

 

Otherwise Neal Dodge and Peter Rivet have already provided most of what is
known (including some that's new to me - so thanks)

 

Chris Pickford

E-mail: pickford5040 at gmail.com 

 

From: Bell-historians
[mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of
georgebellringer at gmail.com
Sent: 25 August 2020 16:25
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Subject: [Bell Historians] Caleb Boney

 

Whilst going through some stuff I came across his name as a bell founder.

Does anyone know anything about him?

 

George

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From c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 29 11:22:30 2020
From: c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com (Chris Pickford)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 10:22:30 -0000
Subject: [Bell Historians] The ongoing evolution of Dove online
In-Reply-To: <bcad8147-c4cc-263a-0a2b-e671bfe0eee1@whisker.org.uk>
References: <1910641861.867103.1593874049182.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1910641861.867103.1593874049182@mail.yahoo.com>
 <bcad8147-c4cc-263a-0a2b-e671bfe0eee1@whisker.org.uk>
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Further to my email yesterday about the AHS turret clock database, I contacted Andy Burdon (the database manager) who says that anyone can request access for research purposes.

 

If you want to access the database, then email admin at ahstcg.org <mailto:admin at ahstcg.org>  to request a login stating if you require access for research (i.e. viewing) or to add details (ability to add or edit).

 

Importantly, Andy added “I would really like to get bells people more interested in entering info about turret clocks into the database rather than duplicate information across both databases”. I would certainly echo that

 

Chris Pickford

E-mail pickford5040 at gmail.com 

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