From oliverbellringer at outlook.com Thu Aug 11 13:39:23 2022 From: oliverbellringer at outlook.com (oliver Lee) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:39:23 +0000 Subject: [Bell Historians] st johns Blackpool and sacred heart Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me exactly why these bells are unringable?, judging by my own research there was almost certainly a local band here in the 1930s but It would appear that the decline began to set in around the 1970s or 80s. I have also heard a story of a clapper falling out during ringing was this why they where condemned or was it mainly due to tower defects. Many thanks Oliver lee p.s when where sacred heart last rung? They where almost certainly ringable in 1988! (per doves) Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.mccahey1969 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 13:58:14 2022 From: b.mccahey1969 at yahoo.com (Bryan McCahey) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Bell Historians] st johns Blackpool and sacred heart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2016780277.428447.1660222694059@mail.yahoo.com> I certainly rang at St. John's in 1983 but seem to recall that there was no clapper in one of the bells at the time. Bryan McCahey Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 at 13:41, oliver Lee wrote: I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me exactly why these bells are unringable?, judging by my own research there was almost certainly a local band here in the 1930s but It would appear that the decline began to set in around the 1970s or 80s. I have also heard a story of a clapper falling out during ringing was this why they where condemned or was it mainly due to tower defects. Many thanks Oliver lee p.s when where sacred heart last rung? They where almost certainly ringable in 1988! (per doves) ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows ? _______________________________________________ Bell-historians mailing list Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at plrivet.plus.com Thu Aug 11 14:35:53 2022 From: peter at plrivet.plus.com (peter at plrivet.plus.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:35:53 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] st johns Blackpool and sacred heart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01b201d8ad87$47f0e730$d7d2b590$@gmail.com> I don't know about Sacred Heart, but the position in Blackpool St John is as follows: By the early 2000s the church had a dwindling congregation and its future was in doubt. To save it as a town centre landmark and community facility it was reconstructed internally to provide a much smaller worship space plus a range of rooms suitable for group activities. To facilitate this (primarily in order to access various grants) the building was temporarily deconsecrated, so the work didn't come under the auspices of the Blackburn DAC. There was by this time no active band of ringers and the architect and contractor responsible for the restoration of the building had no knowledge of bells or ringing. To facilitate access to the inside of the tower they constructed an access platform immediately on top of the bell frame. This involved removing two of the bells from the frame and sawing off part of the wheels of several others. The end result was a building that was structurally sound, but a ring of bells which was effectively useless. In response to a request, in my capacity as Blackburn DAC Bells adviser I had a look inside the tower (along with Ray Clayton, who advises on clocks) in June 2015. It was evident that the bells had been out of use for some time as a loudspeaker system for recordings of bells had been installed above the bells, though it appeared to be no longer in operation. Following our visit I wrote a report saying, among other things, that it was a great pity that the platform hadn't been positioned higher up in the tower as that would have avoided any damage to the bells and their fittings. I sent a copy to the PCC - who replied saying that it was none of my business or the DAC's, and that they had no intention of putting the bells back into working order. At that stage the RC Church of the Sacred Heart was undergoing major renovation. I just hope that they weren't using the same contractor. The third church in the centre of Blackpool with bells, Holy Trinity South Shore, has a ring of six. These are also at present unringable. They could be put back into working area fairly easily but the parish serves one of the poorest parts of the town and has no money to spend on this kind of work. The Lancashire Association of Change Ringers has been investigating the possibility of a restoration project but they will have to raise all the funding needed themselves. So here we have a large town centre with three rings of bells, all of them out of action. Peter Rivet From: Bell-historians On Behalf Of oliver Lee Sent: 11 August 2022 13:39 To: bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk Subject: [Bell Historians] st johns Blackpool and sacred heart I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me exactly why these bells are unringable?, judging by my own research there was almost certainly a local band here in the 1930s but It would appear that the decline began to set in around the 1970s or 80s. I have also heard a story of a clapper falling out during ringing was this why they where condemned or was it mainly due to tower defects. Many thanks Oliver lee p.s when where sacred heart last rung? They where almost certainly ringable in 1988! (per doves) Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oliverbellringer at outlook.com Wed Aug 24 13:34:21 2022 From: oliverbellringer at outlook.com (oliver Lee) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:34:21 +0000 Subject: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex Message-ID: I was wondering if some might be able to explain to me precisely why the bells here are unringable?, judging by my own research it would appear that ringing seems to have ceased around 2006/7 but for some odd reason there is no mention about this in any annual reports from the period. Someone once told me that it was due to a poor frame but I now suspect that it might be something to do with an ill placed mezzanine floor. I?m also interested to know if anyone has any memories of ringing here? As I understand they where particularly interesting. Regards Oliver lee Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martinjones1260 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 13:44:34 2022 From: martinjones1260 at gmail.com (Martin Jones) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 13:44:34 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Oliver I rang at Foxearth about 20 years ago - I hadn?t been ringing very long and it was one of my first ?interesting? towers! The ring is anticlockwise and you ring around a clock case in the middle of the ringing chamber. I recall a ?shelf? along one side, which sallies had a tendency to land on if they weren?t controlled properly, particularly during a raise or lower! (My sally behaved, but my tower captain at the time struggled!) I have no memory of how the bells sounded. Martin > On 24 Aug 2022, at 13:34, oliver Lee wrote: > > I was wondering if some might be able to explain to me precisely why the bells here are unringable?, judging by my own research it would appear that ringing seems to have ceased around 2006/7 but for some odd reason there is no mention about this in any annual reports from the period. Someone once told me that it was due to a poor frame but I now suspect that it might be something to do with an ill placed mezzanine floor. I?m also interested to know if anyone has any memories of ringing here? As I understand they where particularly interesting. > Regards > Oliver lee > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > Bell-historians mailing list > Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk > https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tim at timjackson.email Wed Aug 24 14:29:44 2022 From: tim at timjackson.email (Tim Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:29:44 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As per the Dove change log, we marked the bells "temporarily" out of action in Sep 2007 and UR in Jun 2014. Additional information (May 2014): Foxearth have constructed an access to the clock which would prevent the bells being rung even if the broken seventh wheel was repaired Tim Jackson Dove Steward _____ From: Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Jones Sent: 24 August 2022 13:45 To: Bell Historians Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex Hi Oliver I rang at Foxearth about 20 years ago - I hadn?t been ringing very long and it was one of my first ?interesting? towers! The ring is anticlockwise and you ring around a clock case in the middle of the ringing chamber. I recall a ?shelf? along one side, which sallies had a tendency to land on if they weren?t controlled properly, particularly during a raise or lower! (My sally behaved, but my tower captain at the time struggled!) I have no memory of how the bells sounded. Martin On 24 Aug 2022, at 13:34, oliver Lee wrote: I was wondering if some might be able to explain to me precisely why the bells here are unringable?, judging by my own research it would appear that ringing seems to have ceased around 2006/7 but for some odd reason there is no mention about this in any annual reports from the period. Someone once told me that it was due to a poor frame but I now suspect that it might be something to do with an ill placed mezzanine floor. I?m also interested to know if anyone has any memories of ringing here? As I understand they where particularly interesting. 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Neil Skelton > On 24/08/2022 14:29 Tim Jackson wrote: > > > > > As per the Dove change log, we marked the bells "temporarily" out of action in Sep 2007 and UR in Jun 2014. > > > Additional information (May 2014): > Foxearth have constructed an access to the clock which would prevent the bells being rung even if the broken seventh wheel was repaired > > > Tim Jackson > Dove Steward > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Jones > Sent: 24 August 2022 13:45 > To: Bell Historians > Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex > > > > Hi Oliver > > > I rang at Foxearth about 20 years ago - I hadn?t been ringing very long and it was one of my first ?interesting? towers! > > > The ring is anticlockwise and you ring around a clock case in the middle of the ringing chamber. I recall a ?shelf? along one side, which sallies had a tendency to land on if they weren?t controlled properly, particularly during a raise or lower! (My sally behaved, but my tower captain at the time struggled!) I have no memory of how the bells sounded. > > > Martin > > > > > On 24 Aug 2022, at 13:34, oliver Lee > wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering if some might be able to explain to me precisely why the bells here are unringable?, judging by my own research it would appear that ringing seems to have ceased around 2006/7 but for some odd reason there is no mention about this in any annual reports from the period. Someone once told me that it was due to a poor frame but I now suspect that it might be something to do with an ill placed mezzanine floor. I?m also interested to know if anyone has any memories of ringing here? As I understand they where particularly interesting. > > Regards > > Oliver lee > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bell-historians mailing list > > Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk > > https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians > _______________________________________________ > Bell-historians mailing list > Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk > https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rodbick at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 15:28:31 2022 From: rodbick at gmail.com (Roderic Bickerton) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:28:31 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex In-Reply-To: <1461091588.2038098.1661350565346@mail.virginmedia.com> References: <1461091588.2038098.1661350565346@mail.virginmedia.com> Message-ID: I rember them, that rather mirrors the situation at Oxey, a very similar sounding ring. On Wed, 24 Aug 2022, 15:17 Neil Skelton via Bell-historians, < bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote: > I rang at Foxearth in 1976. Given that the bells are mainly by Warner and > George Mears but with a Dobson 5th and a Miles Graye III 6th, I recall them > being a dreary-sounding ring of eight bells. I do not think that they went > too well either. > > Neil Skelton > > On 24/08/2022 14:29 Tim Jackson wrote: > > > As per the Dove change log, we marked the bells "temporarily" out of > action in Sep 2007 and UR in Jun 2014. > > Additional information (May 2014): > Foxearth have constructed an access to the clock which would prevent the > bells being rung even if the broken seventh wheel was repaired > > Tim Jackson > Dove Steward > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bell-historians [mailto: > bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Martin > Jones > *Sent:* 24 August 2022 13:45 > *To:* Bell Historians > *Subject:* Re: [Bell Historians] foxearth essex > > > Hi Oliver > > I rang at Foxearth about 20 years ago - I hadn?t been ringing very long > and it was one of my first ?interesting? towers! > > The ring is anticlockwise and you ring around a clock case in the middle > of the ringing chamber. I recall a ?shelf? along one side, which sallies > had a tendency to land on if they weren?t controlled properly, particularly > during a raise or lower! (My sally behaved, but my tower captain at the > time struggled!) I have no memory of how the bells sounded. > > Martin > > > On 24 Aug 2022, at 13:34, oliver Lee > wrote: > I was wondering if some might be able to explain to me precisely why the > bells here are unringable?, judging by my own research it would appear that > ringing seems to have ceased around 2006/7 but for some odd reason there is > no mention about this in any annual reports from the period. Someone once > told me that it was due to a poor frame but I now suspect that it might be > something to do with an ill placed mezzanine floor. I?m also interested to > know if anyone has any memories of ringing here? 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URL: From peter.c.kirby at btinternet.com Thu Aug 25 13:45:49 2022 From: peter.c.kirby at btinternet.com (Peter Kirby) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:45:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks Message-ID: <1d763578.4777.182d5098f25.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> Apologies if there has been discussion on this particular subject before. I recently came across a G&J bell at Birkenhead Docks (N 53? 23' 55" W 003? 01' 8" OS Grid: SJ 32351 89558). The inscription indicates it was cast in 1948 and the top has the inscription of The Gas Accumulator Company London. Diameter is around 2?. There is a solenoid type hammer (I doubt if this works) and the bell is mounted in a frame at ground level so easily accessible. The only reference to the Gas Accumulator Company I can find is that they appear to have been based in Brentford, Middlesex, if this is the case, why is this bell in Birkenhead? 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Dave From: Bell-historians On Behalf Of Peter Kirby via Bell-historians Sent: 25 August 2022 13:46 To: Bell Historians Mailing List Cc: Peter Kirby Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks Apologies if there has been discussion on this particular subject before. I recently came across a G&J bell at Birkenhead Docks (N 53? 23' 55" W 003? 01' 8" OS Grid: SJ 32351 89558). The inscription indicates it was cast in 1948 and the top has the inscription of The Gas Accumulator Company London. Diameter is around 2?. There is a solenoid type hammer (I doubt if this works) and the bell is mounted in a frame at ground level so easily accessible. The only reference to the Gas Accumulator Company I can find is that they appear to have been based in Brentford, Middlesex, if this is the case, why is this bell in Birkenhead? I have a couple of photographs but not sure if these can be included in postings to this list. Can anyone on this group assist? 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Before I got there, after passing twenty-six granite lumps labelled with all twenty-six letters, one each, in Morse and Semaphore and international code of signal flags, I found a bell doing duty as a signpost to the Maritime Museum. Seeing the inscription THE GAS ACCUMULATOR COMPANY (U. K.) LTD , I thought that it must be the well-known bell from Elizabeth Castle, transposed. Anyway, I measured its diameter, 30?, gave it a clong with one of the external hammers provided, and carried on to count the bells on the steam clock, which had struck nine a short time before. After reaching home I checked my references to the Elizabeth Castle bell (which I have not seen) and found that it has been measured at 34? in diameter and dates from 1934 ? some 19 years older than the Maritime Museum bell. The flanged top and three external hammers of the latter suggest that it was originally intended for use on a buoy, the hammers being worked by the motion of the sea. The bells were cast by Whitechapel with a flange projecting from the top of the crown. I have seen similar bells from Taylor?s, cast for Trinity house, but they use a single clapper, dangling inside the bell, with three balls. The Lower Heads buoy has one of these bells, it is easily heard from Jethou or St Martin?s point on a windless day with a slight swell. I remembered reading an article in which the Gas Accumulator Company was mentioned, and after a week or so found it in ?Railway Wonders of the World?, a part-work published several times in the 1930s. The article was concerned with flashing signal lights being tried out on the Swedish Railways, where they were said to be easier to pick out, and thus made life less stressful for engine drivers. The Railway management had reasoned that as flashing lights were used unattended at sea on buoys then the technology should be able to be applied on land and it was found that a cylinder of acetylene would give several hundred thousand flashes at the rate of one or two a second. Acetylene is awkward stuff to handle, it is easy to compress into cylinders but unfortunately dangerously explosive when you do, which meant that for a long time it could only be used for low-pressure applications such as lighting, when it could be made on the spot by dripping water onto calcium carbide ? the Vale church was at one time lit on this system, and of course it was used for bicycle and car headlights until batteries and bulbs became reliable. Even during the Occupation the Germans used large numbers of portable carbide lamps. The compression problem was eventually solved by taking advantage of acetylene?s high solubility in acetone, the cylinders could be filled with acetone which dissolved the acetylene, rendering it safe, except for the awkward fact that the cylinders could not be filled with acetone, as it expanded when it dissolved the acetylene, which meant that there was a potentially explosive space at the top of the cylinder. This problem was apparently solved by first filling the cylinder with crushed brick. Nitro-glycerine has a similar problem, it is highly temperamental unless it is mixed with kieselghur, when it only explodes when required. Dr Gustaf Dalen, a world renowned Swedish physicist and Nobel Prize winner, reasoned that the same might be true of acetylene, tried it, and founded the Gas Accumulator Company to exploit his discovery. With the aid of a simple flashing burner, driven by the flow of acetylene itself, marine buoys, beacons, and lighthouses and eventually railways could have flashing lights, easily picked out from amongst the multitude of other stationary lights, and a cylinder of acetylene would last for a month or two. In 1922 Dr Dalen lost his sight following an accidental explosion during an experiment with pressurized liquids and gases. Kept at home, he learned how his wife was exhausted and harassed by the constant need to care for and watch over food as it was cooked. Although unable to see, he was determined to develop a cooking stove that was both capable of every culinary technique and easy to use, with perfect results. Adopting the time-honored principle of heat storage, he combined a small and efficient heat source, two large hotplates and two generous ovens into one robust and compact unit - the AGA Cooker. AGA was also the Swedish trade mark of the Gas Accumulator Company. ________________________________ From: Bell-historians on behalf of Peter Kirby via Bell-historians Sent: 25 August 2022 13:45 To: Bell Historians Mailing List Cc: Peter Kirby Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks Apologies if there has been discussion on this particular subject before. I recently came across a G&J bell at Birkenhead Docks (N 53? 23' 55" W 003? 01' 8" OS Grid: SJ 32351 89558). The inscription indicates it was cast in 1948 and the top has the inscription of The Gas Accumulator Company London. Diameter is around 2?. There is a solenoid type hammer (I doubt if this works) and the bell is mounted in a frame at ground level so easily accessible. The only reference to the Gas Accumulator Company I can find is that they appear to have been based in Brentford, Middlesex, if this is the case, why is this bell in Birkenhead? 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URL: From bells at tedsteele.plus.com Thu Aug 25 14:49:05 2022 From: bells at tedsteele.plus.com (Ted Steele) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:49:05 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks In-Reply-To: <-cel8qk5n4hu9-j83v73-9mbk9v-5j1jc8-579rw7h40j69-6c1qxy-wygrv4-po31t7-rrh1czxp3vfk-zhg8ogcxnosq-mngb96exqrbqj8wyk2-qrt9wtf78g5vuxdbdfsko7en-ib2n0e8br2jys8e1al.1661434971950@email.android.com> References: <1d763578.4777.182d5098f25.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> <-cel8qk5n4hu9-j83v73-9mbk9v-5j1jc8-579rw7h40j69-6c1qxy-wygrv4-po31t7-rrh1czxp3vfk-zhg8ogcxnosq-mngb96exqrbqj8wyk2-qrt9wtf78g5vuxdbdfsko7en-ib2n0e8br2jys8e1al.1661434971950@email.android.com> Message-ID: <628d001f-6a25-f546-6bdd-8bce99c59d46@tedsteele.plus.com> On 25/08/2022 14:42, c.j.pickford.t21--- via Bell-historians wrote: > It can be traced in the records (like any G&J bell) if you have the > serial number number,? usually (from the later 1920s) cast in smaller > numerals below the inscription band.? Gillett and Johnston cast lots > of bells for the Gas Accumulator Company / trinity House > Chris I just found this: it says little but does have a couple of small pictures. Ted From bells at tedsteele.plus.com Thu Aug 25 14:56:12 2022 From: bells at tedsteele.plus.com (Ted Steele) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 14:56:12 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks In-Reply-To: <628d001f-6a25-f546-6bdd-8bce99c59d46@tedsteele.plus.com> References: <1d763578.4777.182d5098f25.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> <-cel8qk5n4hu9-j83v73-9mbk9v-5j1jc8-579rw7h40j69-6c1qxy-wygrv4-po31t7-rrh1czxp3vfk-zhg8ogcxnosq-mngb96exqrbqj8wyk2-qrt9wtf78g5vuxdbdfsko7en-ib2n0e8br2jys8e1al.1661434971950@email.android.com> <628d001f-6a25-f546-6bdd-8bce99c59d46@tedsteele.plus.com> Message-ID: <010388b2-7ffd-ea5b-4bb3-a998f1f9cc50@tedsteele.plus.com> Sorry the link got missed; here tiz On 25/08/2022 14:49, Ted Steele wrote: > On 25/08/2022 14:42, c.j.pickford.t21--- via Bell-historians wrote: >> It can be traced in the records (like any G&J bell) if you have the >> serial number number,? usually (from the later 1920s) cast in smaller >> numerals below the inscription band.? Gillett and Johnston cast lots >> of bells for the Gas Accumulator Company / trinity House >> Chris > > > I just found this: it says little but does have a couple of small > pictures. > > Ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Bell-historians mailing list > Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk > https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians From dickon at lovesguide.com Thu Aug 25 15:55:10 2022 From: dickon at lovesguide.com (Dickon Love) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:55:10 +0100 Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks In-Reply-To: <010388b2-7ffd-ea5b-4bb3-a998f1f9cc50@tedsteele.plus.com> References: <1d763578.4777.182d5098f25.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> <-cel8qk5n4hu9-j83v73-9mbk9v-5j1jc8-579rw7h40j69-6c1qxy-wygrv4-po31t7-rrh1czxp3vfk-zhg8ogcxnosq-mngb96exqrbqj8wyk2-qrt9wtf78g5vuxdbdfsko7en-ib2n0e8br2jys8e1al.1661434971950@email.android.com> <628d001f-6a25-f546-6bdd-8bce99c59d46@tedsteele.plus.com> <010388b2-7ffd-ea5b-4bb3-a998f1f9cc50@tedsteele.plus.com> Message-ID: <026401d8b892$acd20290$067607b0$@lovesguide.com> G&J cast 9 bells for the Gas Accumulator Co in 1948, according to their records. 5 were about 4 cwt and 4 were about 10? cwt. As Chris says, we'd need the serial number to work out which it is. DrL -----Original Message----- From: Bell-historians On Behalf Of Ted Steele Sent: 25 August 2022 14:56 To: c.j.pickford.t21--- via Bell-historians Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks Sorry the link got missed; here tiz On 25/08/2022 14:49, Ted Steele wrote: > On 25/08/2022 14:42, c.j.pickford.t21--- via Bell-historians wrote: >> It can be traced in the records (like any G&J bell) if you have the >> serial number number, usually (from the later 1920s) cast in smaller >> numerals below the inscription band. Gillett and Johnston cast lots >> of bells for the Gas Accumulator Company / trinity House Chris > > > I just found this: it says little but does have a couple of small > pictures. > > Ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Bell-historians mailing list > Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk > https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians _______________________________________________ Bell-historians mailing list Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com From peter.c.kirby at btinternet.com Thu Aug 25 12:42:34 2022 From: peter.c.kirby at btinternet.com (Peter Kirby) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:42:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks Message-ID: <6b55b5af.45ca.182d4cfa4b3.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> Apologies if there has beendiscussion on this particular subject before. Irecently came across a G&J bell at Birkenhead Docks (N 53? 23' 55" W003? 01' 8" OS Grid: SJ 32351 89558). The inscription indicates it was cast in 1948and the top has the inscription of The Gas Accumulator Company London. Diameter is around 2?. There is a solenoid type hammer (I doubt ifthis works) and the bell is mounted in a frame at ground level so easilyaccessible. The only reference to the GasAccumulator Company I can find is that they appear to have been based inBrentford, Middlesex so, if this is the case, why is this bell in Birkenhead? I have included a couple of photographswith this post but not sure if this will appear when distributed to list members. Can anyone on this group Peter Kirby Halifax, West Yorkshire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The focus of the inquiry was to determine whether these items were ?fittings? ie. additions ? like furniture, or ?fixtures? ie. an integral part of the listed building and therefore not removable. The turret clock was said to be a ?unique French baroque clock weighing many tons? ? one of the finest clocks of its kind in the world?. The gasoliers are huge ?exuberant and opulent? chandelier-like lamp holders which were intended to run on estate supplied gas. As with the recent eight day Inquiry, it was run on the same lines as a court case, with solicitors, barristers, expert and professional witnesses, mountains of documents, statements, rebuttals, and cross examinations (of varying degrees of ferocity!). In the foyer outside the chamber, and shoved into a corner of the staircase, is the statue of The Fall of Icarus. This is another treasure from Leighton Hall: it had spent its glory days with Icarus plunging into the pool in the gardens. The statue had been sold, but was recovered by the council, and has remained at the Council Offices ever since! The 1993 Inquiry was shorter than the recent one. The Inspector (for the Welsh Secretary John Redwood) ruled that the clock and gasoliers were fixtures and must be returned to Leighton Hall. (The gasoliers being designed to be plumbed-in to the gas pipework in the hall; and both the clock and the tower stairs had been adapted originally to fix the clock in the tower.) The Shropshire farmer who had bought the items, lost his challenge to the Minister?s decision in the High Court in London over two years later, and was ordered to pay costs. From: https://www.leightonnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/LN273.pdf Ken From davidl.cawley at btinternet.com Mon Aug 29 12:27:24 2022 From: davidl.cawley at btinternet.com (Revd David Cawley) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 12:27:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks In-Reply-To: <6b55b5af.45ca.182d4cfa4b3.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> References: <6b55b5af.45ca.182d4cfa4b3.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <26988517.289ab.182e95b3510.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> There are a couple of Gas Accumulator Company's Bells (M&S) in Jersey,, full details and a picture to be found on pages 40 and 41 of my "Church Bells of the Channel Islands (2007).. The late Bill Hughes told me that they had supplied a number of these Bells, usually as alternatives to Trinity House. DLC ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Kirby via Bell-historians" To: "Bell Historians Mailing List" Cc: "Peter Kirby" Sent: Thursday, 25 Aug, 2022 At 12:42 Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks Apologies if there has been discussion on this particular subject before. I recently came across a G&J bell at Birkenhead Docks (N 53? 23' 55" W 003? 01' 8" OS Grid: SJ 32351 89558). The inscription indicates it was cast in 1948 and the top has the inscription of The Gas Accumulator Company London. Diameter is around 2?. There is a solenoid type hammer (I doubt if this works) and the bell is mounted in a frame at ground level so easily accessible. The only reference to the Gas Accumulator Company I can find is that they appear to have been based in Brentford, Middlesex so, if this is the case, why is this bell in Birkenhead? I have included a couple of photographs with this post but not sure if this will appear when distributed to list members. 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URL: From davidl.cawley at btinternet.com Mon Aug 29 15:57:55 2022 From: davidl.cawley at btinternet.com (Revd David Cawley) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 15:57:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks In-Reply-To: References: <6b55b5af.45ca.182d4cfa4b3.Webtop.97@btinternet.com> <26988517.289ab.182e95b3510.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <24b197c6.28cf0.182ea1bef88.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> The Company supplied lighthouse fittings, buoy accessories, lightship gear etc. As we know, bell-buoys, lighthouses etc were all equipped with Bells. Some of these were supplied direct through Trinity House, and some by the G.A.C. I've seen Trinity House Bells by Mears, Taylors, G&J, Warners and one, at Dover, by Barwell, so the "nature of the company's interest" appears to have been commercial. DLC ------ Original Message ------ From: "Ted Steele" To: bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk Sent: Monday, 29 Aug, 2022 At 13:06 Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] G&J bell - Birkenhead docks On 29/08/2022 12:27, Revd David Cawley via Bell-historians wrote: There are a couple of Gas Accumulator Company's Bells (M&S) in Jersey,, full details and a picture to be found on pages 40 and 41 of my "Church Bells of the Channel Islands (2007).. The late Bill Hughes told me that they had supplied a number of these Bells, usually as alternatives to Trinity House. Could anyone please explain the nature of this company's interest in bells? Ted _______________________________________________ Bell-historians mailing list Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk https://lists.ringingworld.co.uk/listinfo/bell-historians -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The late Bill Hughes told me that they had supplied a number of these Bells, usually as alternatives to Trinity House. Could anyone please explain the nature of this company's interest in bells? Ted The Gas Accumulator Company supplied acetylene lights for Trinity House lighthouses and marker buoys, so presumably they also sold the buoys complete with bell to TH. Richard cid:image001.png at 01D40F8F.50BED290 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 19616 bytes Desc: not available URL: