[r-t] Composing spliced treble-dodging major

Fielding Ian I.Fielding at rbht.nhs.uk
Thu Aug 4 16:42:45 UTC 2005

Chris Kippin wrote a paper on how he put together his series of Spliced Royal. The theory is the same as what William requires. Don't know if anybody else has a copy floating around - I have somewhere but I don't know where.


-----Original Message-----
From: ringing-theory-bounces at bellringers.net
[mailto:ringing-theory-bounces at bellringers.net]On Behalf Of Philip Earis
Sent: 04 August 2005 17:39
To: ringing theory
Subject: [r-t] Composing spliced treble-dodging major

Hi people, William Dawson has asked that I forward this email onto this
list. I've recommended to him that he reads Leary's book (Handbook of
Composition, John R Leary, £5.50 from
http://www.cccbr.org.uk/pubs/ccpb.php). Does anyone want to write a guide to
composing spliced treble-dodging major on here?

> I am William Dawson, son of Fiona and Philip at Welton and currently a
> in Edinburgh. Recently I have been dabbling in composing (it seemed the
> logical step!) and have got stuck. I've been asking around and I have been
> pointed in your direction, hence this email.
> I've done various exercises with the standard 8 such as getting them round
> the snaps in as fewer changes as possible (I was also challenged to get 8
> spliced round at the handstroke snap without any 87s at back which was
> fine), but now I have moved onto quarter peal compositions (getting bands
> quarters rather than peals in Scotland is much easier and I obviously want
> ring them!).
> I can easily come up with a composition that has the correct number of
> and doesn't come round inbetween. The only way I've made true compositions
> when computer program a ringing friend wrote for me, tells me there are no
> repeated changes. If it fails, I start again in this trial and error
> So my problem is that I have no idea if my composition is false until I
put it
> in the computer. This seems very inefficient. Obivously I check my
> orders - and if any are repeated then I check that its at a different part
> the method. Recently I've been writing out the lead ends of every lead, to
> check that none of those are repeated or that rounds hasn't just come up
> will come up at the snap leads.
> I think my problem is internal falseness? Is there a way of knowing when
> lead ends will contain the same row. I appreciate there are method groups
> mean something to someone, but not to me and I have failed to find any
> infomation on this. Is there any good book or website that can get me
> In the meantime I have managed to compose quarters of a single non
standard 8
> Surprise Major. A 1250 of Ipswich and a 1280 of something else (I've
> which one). I've been in India this past six weeks and done some more in
> spare time: A 1280 of Edinburgh and a 1280 Tavistock but I have no idea if
> are true at all, hence my question.
> Will this apply to spliced as well, or shall I just steer clear of that? I
> have a composition for a 1280 of Uxbridge, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cambridge
> Rutland spliced in a nice 4 part - again it is more than likely to be
> (because all my nice ones are!). None of the lead ends are repeated but I
> not looking forward to getting home this evening and the computer telling
me it
> is false. The same composition also works for Double Dublin, Uxbridge,
> Superlative, Cambridge and Rutland because a bobbed glasgow lead is the
same as
> a bobbed superlative lead.
> These were just for a bit of fun - I am master of the University of
> Guild of Change Ringers and we have excellent links with Durham University
> Society of Change Ringers. Every course in the composition spells out
> So basically can you point me to a good (readable!) book or give me some
> pointers yourself on method types and internal falseness if that is what I
> to know about?
> Thank you
> William

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