[r-t] Seven Deadly Sins
rlee5040 at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 31 19:15:02 UTC 2005
>Some answers for the as-yet unconvinced Rob Lee:
Not quite answers though Mark - still your views vs. mine!
>By using my
>program, you are using my algorithm, but that's no different from Ben
>Willetts, on ringing-theory, explaining to William Dawson, also on
>ringing-theory, how you calculate internal falseness, and William going away
>and using this new knowledge (algorithm) to produce compositions.
I'm still not happy with this. To my mind, an aid to composing such as a peal
prover or knowledge of internal falseness is different to a peal generator,
in that one produces the composition and the other doesn't. You could be lectured
on internal falseness until your ears bleed. This, on its own, will not result
>Why should we regulate how those compositions are produced?
We don't have to, except maybe for some accuracy/consistency, depending on
what your definition of composing is. To me, the logical definition (at least at grass
roots level) is of producing a composition, whether it's done by a human, computer,
monkey or spade.
>Neither would you have the compositions if you hadn't had the idea in the
>first place. You need both things to get the result.
Exactly, so credit the composition as "Me, using BYROC/SMC/whatever", as I
originally suggested. Just don't put "Comp: Me".
However, at the extreme, suppose you haven't access to a composition program,
and you commissioned me to produce a composition for you in a standard method
including, say, Queens & some cyclical and little bell rollups. The original idea isn't
mine, but I go away and work on it and find what I think is the most effective solution.
Should I then give away/split the composition credit, just on the grounds that the
original idea wasn't mine? If I did this, then I would indeed be a 'tool'.
>I don't want composition to be shackled to hand-generation of leads
>forever. There is a whole infinity of wondrous compositional possibilities
>waiting out there, ready for the plucking by the choosy and imaginative eye
>of the human composer, which will never be found if we restrict ourselves
Note that so far in this debate, I haven't condemned peal generators
used in the right hands - my only query has been how we should describe
the resulting compositions.
PS. Robin, I wouldn't at all dispute that you composed the peal.
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