[r-t] Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods

Basil Potts basil at nlc.net.au
Thu Nov 1 15:15:08 UTC 2007

Thanks for your response Philip,

My young ringer has been experimenting with "methods" that have 1,2,3 or
possibly 1,2,3,4 or 1,2,3,4,10 all doing treble bob hunt. The other bells
"fit in". And I have been suggesting to him that the work of the other bells
needs to be symmetrical. Fitting in usually involves Kent or Oxford style

The very interesting aspect for me is that I have for years been trying to
get my band at Christ Church Saint Laurence, Sydney to advance beyond Plain
Bob Doubles, and the rhythm and ropesight for ten bell ringing is just too

These "new" ideas strike me as useful, because we will have a group of bells
who need only cope with treble bob hunt while the other bells can ring the
method. As I said before, the concept could be useful in Perth and Dublin
where there are 16 bell rings, but less experienced bands than in

I will be interested in your thoughts about the above. It is 2am here and I
haven't really examined the suggestions in your email yet.

Kind regards,

Basil Potts

----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Earis <Earisp at rsc.org>
To: <ringing-theory at bellringers.net>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [r-t] Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods

An interesting question.

It seems you want multiple hunt-bells principally as a training tool, rather
than to get different musical effects. Clearly this is actually often done
as the moment in a slightly different guise, eg ringing plain bob with a bob
every lead, so that the ringers of the 2nd and 3rd plain hunt throughout.

This concept can be extended to turn any "a-group" method into a multiple
hunting method.  An a-group method is one with regular leadheads where the
tenor is the pivot-bell (ie where the first leadhead is 135264, 13527486,
1352749608, 13527496E8T0 etc).  Examples include Carlisle Minor, Plain Bob
Major, Allington Surprise Royal etc.

To get any eg a-group royal method into a multiple hunter, you can simply
ring the leadend change as "14" instead of the normal "12" to get a method
with three hunt bells.  You could alternatively ring the leadend change as
"16" to get a method with five hunt-bells.

As a practical example, you could ring Avoncliffe Surprise Royal with a 14
leadend change to give a three-hunt method - the notation for a lead would
be £-50-14.50-50.18.70-14.30.16-16.70-16-90

(For what it's worth, the CC decisions require more working bells than hunt
bells, but nobody takes much notice of them these days).

I'm not quite sure if when you say "multiple hunt bells in treble bob
methods", you are regarding a hunt bell as one that gets back to the same
place at every lead-head, or more specifically a bell that does this whilst
just treble-bob hunting.

If you're after the latter, which is much more constrained, there are also
lots of possibilities.  After a very quick play-around one simple
right-place example would be &-56-8-78-8-2-3-4-5-6-5, 10.  I'm sure other
people can come up with both more familiar and interesting examples -
perhaps by "extending" common major methods...

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods
From:    "Basil Potts" <basil at nlc.net.au>
Date:    Thu, November 1, 2007 13:30
To:      ringing-theory-owner at bellringers.net

Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods!!!!!

Has anyone been experimenting with such concepts recently? I certainly did
years ago and one of my young ringers has been coming up with "new methods"
on a steady basis. He is more computer literate than I am and his output of
experimental methods is phenomenal.

It seems to me that his ideas might be beneficial to the three 16 bell
towers in various parts of the World (and one 14 bell tower), and I am very
interested in the possibility of advancing my band at Christ Church Saint
Laurence, Sydney, NSW, Australia  to Surpirise Royal via his methods which
have as many as five bells treble bob hunting in a Royal method.

Please respond positively!

Basil Potts

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