[r-t] Candidate definition #10

Don Morrison dfm at ringing.org
Wed Aug 13 21:28:52 UTC 2008

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Ted Steele <ted.steele at tesco.net> wrote:
> No, I am afraid that it doesn't. I do already understand very clearly
> what you intend. I still maintain that it is not what your definition
> conveys.
> Take the Stedman Variable Cover doubles. In your terms the bell acting
> at cover is not a non-changing bell. I would say otherwise, that it is a
> non-changing bell, at least while it is acting as cover; at other times
> it is a changing bell; but  that is really not relevant and does not
> affect proof, which has to be at the six bell stage whatever way you
> understand what the bell in sixth is doing. However, it is plain that
> the bell in sixth place (call it whatever you like) has to alter from
> time to time in a variable cover block; but your definition implies
> (unintentionally, of course) that it cannot alter because it has got to
> stay there for "each and every row" of the block.

Only if it is a non-changing bell, which, by definition, it is not.
Note that the example stated explicitly that the variable cover block
has no non-changing bells.

Perhaps it would help if in reading the definition instead of having
the term "a non-changing bell", which perhaps carries some connotation
to you that is not part of its actual definition, you substituted "a
Glipstchk". That would, I think, take away any preconceived notions of
what a Glipstchk is. It is just what it is defined to be, and nothing

Having tried three times now to resolve our difficulty of
communication, I think I had now best ask if anyone else on the list
can please help here, and better facilitate Ted and I understanding
what the other is talking about, please? Help?

Don Morrison <dfm at ringing.org>
"It is just amazing how attractive the prospect of washing the kitchen
floor or changing my shelf paper or balancing my checkbook becomes when
I have a pile of exams on my desk that need grading."
                              -- Daniel Dennett, _Consciousness Explained_

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