[r-t] Rules (was A date to pencil into your calendar)

Tim Barnes tjbarnes23 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 6 12:27:38 UTC 2015


From: ringing-theory [mailto:ringing-theory-bounces at bellringers.net] On Behalf Of Frederick Karl Kepner DuPuy
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 5:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [r-t] Rules (was A date to pencil into your calendar)


*  I admit that peals of triples and minor which include a partial extent beyond 5040 are an interesting question meriting further discussion; I admit that performances of 5016 minimus are tricky too (not that I can imagine anybody wanting to ring them). 


I’m curious why you view a 5016 of Minimus as tricky.  If your view is that Minimus peals must be a minimum of 5040 changes, aren’t you taking a number that has significance at Stage 7 and anomalously projecting it onto Stage 4 where the number doesn’t have any particular significance?


*  But put those aside for the moment. As I read these rules, they would allow 'peals' of triples less than 5040 rows long. Can it really be that people think that uncontroversial? 


Yes, the proposal as currently written would allow, say, a 5012 of Grandsire Triples as a Peal.  The arguments in favor are (1) we don’t worry about ringing partial extents of major and above as peals, (2) we don’t worry about ringing QPs / date touches / half peals of Triples that are partial extents, and (3) bands are still free to choose only to ring peals of Triples in whole extents if that’s their preference.  I view defining standard lengths (or more precisely, standard length ranges) consistently across all stages as progress (i.e. QP = 1250 to 2499 changes, Half Peal = 2500 to 4999 changes, Peal = 5000+ changes).  But I don’t disagree that this is likely to be one of the more controversial changes in this proposal, and one that might ultimately be settled by quite a close vote.




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