# [r-t] Extension

Robin Woolley robin at robinw.org.uk
Thu Mar 23 06:50:46 UTC 2017

```Hi All,

There are several things going on since I last posted.

A basic point idenitifed years ago is that change ringing is performed
on very small numbers - and 16 is a very small number for these
purposes. JH touches on this with D. Oxford Bob. It is, if you like, a
paradox, that change ringing starts with 6 bells, say but the patterns
involved are frequently the limit (as n->0) of a much larger pattern as
n->infinity. This is part of the justification for the indefinacy rule,
which is fine for pure theory, but we have to deal with the practical,
i.e., no peal has been rung for n>22.

As a simple example of this, when 'learning' Cambridge S10, I was given
a rule - dodge 3, places, dodge 3, miss two (etc). The number of dodges
is, of course, (n/2)-2 and this gives the basic pattern for all numbers,
but I don't suppose anyone rings CS6 like this.

MBD asks 'A perhaps more basic question: are there any methods with PB
leadheads which do extend to an infinite number of stages, and do so

I think I have seen at least one, but I can't remember what, when or
where. Interestingly, this was allowed for in the original Decisions
were some lead-end sequences were not allowed when the lead-end of the
parent was taken into account. A brief (mis-?)re-reading of this
suggests this is a reason why Clyde S10 'is/was not an extension' of
Glasgow S8.

I remember! Newcastle S6 has such an extension. The unrelatedness of
this method to Newcastle S8 was discussed at about the time of the
Cheltenham CC mtg BUT an extension of Newcastle S6 omits stage 8 and
goes to all numbers from 10 onwards (seemingly). Why? It is a group 'e'
method ('j' in old money) of which the 'lead-number' (-2) increases by
two each time so the 8-bell version comes round at the first lead end.
On 10, it is group 'b', etc. In a naive way, the lead number increases
at the same rate as the number of bells so this never happens again.
Newcastle S8 also extends! Which to choose as the parent? There is a
free choice on this one - but we 'thought' that, since the Minor was
rung first, this should be the chosen parent. (They didn't bother
ringing it!)

Best wishes
R

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