[Bell Historians] Chimes - New Romney

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Thu Apr 11 11:40:44 BST 2002

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Here are a few offerings:

Cawston, Norfolk - 1 & 2 in 8 added and 6th recast JT 1925; these three hun=
g dead. The other 5 hung for ringing: 3, S Gilpin (?) c1700; 4, T Mears II=
1818; 5, M&S 1887; 7 J Stephens 1717; tenor 45" T Gardiner 1753. Fittin=
gs of 1818 and 1887, the latter by Day - complete, but not in good order. 1=
5th-century frame with new top sills by Day. A long history of trouble wi=
th the bells here and although there is an account of (yet another) re-open=
ing in 1887, they have probably not been rung since before World War I. Th=
e two trebles are War Memorial bells, and they were installed complete with=
the present chiming apparatus for 8 in 1925. Visited as Diocesan Bells Ad=
viser 19.4.75.

Cattistock - The bass bell of the carillon (the tenot of the 8) is 19-3-3 a=
ccording to CD. I have other weights quoted but his is the one I would wor=
k on.

Charlton - Yes, they were always a ring. I inspected as DBA in 1983, along=
with NWB and found the treble in pieces, the other 4 with complete and ver=
y ancient ringing fittings in a medieval frame, tenor cracked and filed. C=
W's accounts show that ringing ceased c1850. Now of course restored and re=

Leigh on Sea - The Paccard bells are still there

Cork St Mary's - i.e. the RC Cathedral. Fred Dukes, Campanology in Ireland=
pp 208-9. 8 for ringing plus a flat 2nd; tenor 57.1/2"; Murphy 1870 - not=
rung for many years and pipework now goes through the frame so ringing not=
possible - chimed from console in the former ringing room.

NB Cork St Nicholas 8, 47" in E, are a ring - not rung since 1920's per Fre=
d Dukes.

I confirm what CJP says about Brentford and Stamford (we went to the latter=
together; no stays or sliders ever; no interest in bells locally. Ringing=
ceiling of this funny little oblong tower plastered up, so you have to chi=
me them round the clock). I've done some research for him re Abberley, an=
d am sure he won't mind me saying that the bass of the original 20-bell ins=
tallation was 78-2-0 sent out, 76-2-14 as scrapped.

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chris Pickford=20
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: 11 April 2002 10:05
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Chimes - New Romney

Can help with some of this (though briefly)

Abberley Hall - have visited this year and researched extensively for
planned RW article. 15 bells sold in 1939, and now just a clock chime
(Taylor 1884) of 5, largest 13-1-21 in G

Brentford. Pretty sure these were just moved from St.George to St.Paul's =
1993. An old Gillett catalogue gives tenor as 7-1-8, but foundry records
give the weight as 6-1-24 in A. Bells are 1913

Stamford, St.George: Still had wheels and "ringing" fittings when we visi=
in 1997.


----- Original Message -----
From: "LOVE, Dickon" <DrLove at s...>
To: <bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Chimes - New Romney

New Romney, Kent (St Martin) - Stahlschmidt uses the term "ring of 5 bell=
However, they were removed in 1549 when the church was closed, so it is
unlikely that he actually knew. Chances are they *were* a ring though as
most towers in Kent were at that time. The bells together weighed 46 cwt =
valued at =A348 4s. 0d. Tradition states that they were transferred to St
Nicholas, New Romney, although this is not the case. The bells were sold =
a Martin Partridge of Rye.


-----Original Message-----
From: mikechester_uk [mailto:mike at m...]
Sent: 10 April 2002 15:40
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Bell Historians] Chimes

I've gone through Editions 1, 3, 6, 7, & 8 of Dove and David Kelly's
sites and also received lots of informatio from members of this
list. There are a few queries/confirmations that I hope you may be
able to help with.

Abberyley Hall - details of former carillion
Brentford, Old, Middlesex Were these bells moved, recast and/or
tuned? Up to 7th edition the church is listed as St George M, by 8th
St Paul. In all editions the tenor is listed as 7-1-8, Nick Bowden
(via DLC?) says is 6-1-24
Cawston, Norfolk. In 1st & 3rd editions it is listed as a chime of 6,
6-8th as 1 & 2 disused 3-6 chiming only, 9th edition as unringable -
What is their status?
Cattistock - former carillon had 35 bells - tenor weight?
Charlton, Wilts In 1st edition as a ringable ring, 5 12cwt, 3rd
edition as a chime, by 6th edition as unringable with tenor and
treble cracked - now a ring of 6 12-0-14 in G. Were they ever a
Leigh on Sea RC - 8 15cwt Now said to be hung for swing chiming,
Continental style, but "clocked" at present. To at least 3rd edition
said to be 25cwt in E, French bells - have they been recast?
New Romney, Kent - were they ever a chime, or just a sold off ring?
Parracombe, Devon - can the existance of this chime of 6 be
confirmed? It has been suggested that they were a ring of 3 and now
only one bell remains
Pudleston, Herefords, can anyone confirm Mike Fradd's note that they
have been rehung for swing chiming? 9th ed says are an unringable 4.
Radnage - again confirmation that they have been hung dead would be
Shenley Herts - weight of tenor went up in 7th edition from 5cwt to
10-0-4, have they been recast?
Tyne Dock & Ven Bede Sunderland - can any give the dates these were
Stamford, Lincs, St George - are these unringable or have they been
hung dead as in Mike Fradd's notes?
Merthyr Cynog - have the front 3 been hung dead as in Mike Fradd's
Monkton, Pembroke, or is it Pembroke, Monkton - in the former way to
at least 3rd edition, but with tenor 11cwt, from 6th edition are in
the latter way with a tenor of 10cwt - I assume that they are the
same place - has something been done to the bells, or have they just
lost weight with age?!
Panallt, could it be confirmed that they have been hung dead?
Cork, St Mary Magd, what is the status of these bells, a chime or
just unringable?
London, Ontario - details of the present chime, please.
Singapore - were these bells actually ever rung? The Cathedral
website sort of implies that they were and were subsequently hung

Many thanks


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