[Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York

[Nick Bowden]

I have an idea the exact weight of the Meneeley bell is 27-2-1. Perhaps Dave
Cawley can confirm this?
Nick

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Pickford
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Cc: Carl S Zimmerman
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


Thanks, George - the reputable source needed to provide definitive data! So,
now we know Meneeley recast the original tenor we're back to 25 cwt approx
(instead of the 1797 weight) - unless the Meneeley records provide more
accurate information

Carl has queried the fractions in the diameters of the 1797 ring. For anyone
else whose machine scrambles fractions in e-mails, the diameters (in inches)
are/were 1 32.25, 2 33.5, 3 35.25 and 7 47.25. The bells were of course by
Thomas Mears I, 1797 - with recasting by C & G Mears in 1845.

I don't have details of the 1849 semitone, but now I have the date I'll look
it up some time

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: George Dawson
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


The tenor was recast by Meneeley & Co in 1848 & is 53" in diameter, no
weight. The rest of the bells are as below. The chime bells are an extra
treble (1 of 9!) by Meneeley 1909, and a flat second of 8 by C & G Mears
1849.

GAD
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Pickford
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


The bells were listed in earlier editions of "Dove" as a 25 cwt 8,
unringable. I submitted the tenor weight as the bell referred to in the
Whitechapel records is almost certainly - without actually seeing it of
having details from a reputable source I can't say any more definitely than
that - the original bell of 1797 of 24-3-25.

The Whitechapel records actually provide the following details:

Peals book, 1797 - 1 32¼" 7-0-3, 2 33½" 7-0-15, 3 35¼" 8-2-26, 4 38" 9-3-8,
5 41" 12-1-18, 6 43" 13-2-21, 7 47¼" 18-1-2, 8 53" 24-3-25 and note "recast
1, 2, 4 and 7, Sept 1845"

Daybook 20 Sept. 1845 - Trinity Church, New York. Recast bells 7-1-4, 6-3-9,
9-1-6, 18-0-10 £271.3.10, clappers £4, stocks wheels etc £32, cases &
packing & shipping charges £5.18.6, total £313.2.4

The only other information I have comes from an account (and photograph) of
a visit to the tower by various English ringers in 1991 (RW 1991 p.1210).
This states that there are eight bells hung in a wooden frame with ringing
headstocks, bearings and clappers (but minus the wheels) and two more bells
hung for chiming.

Sounds to me like an "unringable eight" according to the usual definitions
(i.e. bells still hung on derelict ringing fittings) rather than a chime,
plus - of course - two extras.

Chris P

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From: JohnBaldwin
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


I have now searched my records and find that it was Chris Pickford who
supplied that tenor weight of 24-3-25 in D in a (snail-mail) letter to me
dated 29 June 1999, along with a number of other suggested alterations which
had previously been submitted to Ron Dove in November 1993. There is a "not
necessarily precise" (according to Chris) comment alongside this entry,
saying : "Weight of 1797".

Perhaps Chris can shed further light on the background of his findings, or
else someone (? Michael) could ask Andrew Wilby about the letter received
from Owen Burdwick, referred to in the said RW article on p970 of 2001.

It looks from that article, now, that I should remove the entry from Dove!

John Baldwin
(029) 2055 4457


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jimhedgcock <jameshedgcock at h...>
> [mailto:jameshedgcock at h...]
> Sent: 28 December 2002 23:55
> To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York
>
>
> 'Dove' lists an eight 24-3-25 in D. I remember after 9/11 an article
> in RW saying there were ten bells in the tower tenor 32cwt. Can
> anyone explain the differences?
>