[Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York

[Chris Pickford]

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Thanks, George - the reputable source needed to provide definitive data! So=
, now we know Meneeley recast the original tenor we're back to 25 cwt appro=
x (instead of the 1797 weight) - unless the Meneeley records provide more a=
ccurate information

Carl has queried the fractions in the diameters of the 1797 ring. For anyon=
e else whose machine scrambles fractions in e-mails, the diameters (in inch=
es) are/were 1 32.25, 2 33.5, 3 35.25 and 7 47.25. The bells were of cours=
e by Thomas Mears I, 1797 - with recasting by C & G Mears in 1845.

I don't have details of the 1849 semitone, but now I have the date I'll loo=
k it up some time

Chris
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Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


The tenor was recast by Meneeley & Co in 1848 & is 53" in diameter, no we=
ight. The rest of the bells are as below. The chime bells are an extra treb=
le (1 of 9!) by Meneeley 1909, and a flat second of 8 by C & G Mears 1849.

GAD
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Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


The bells were listed in earlier editions of "Dove" as a 25 cwt 8, unri=
ngable. I submitted the tenor weight as the bell referred to in the Whitec=
hapel records is almost certainly - without actually seeing it of having de=
tails from a reputable source I can't say any more definitely than that - t=
he original bell of 1797 of 24-3-25.

The Whitechapel records actually provide the following details:

Peals book, 1797 - 1 32=BC" 7-0-3, 2 33=BD" 7-0-15, 3 35=BC" 8-2-26, 4 =
38" 9-3-8, 5 41" 12-1-18, 6 43" 13-2-21, 7 47=BC" 18-1-2, 8 53" 24-3-25 and=
note "recast 1, 2, 4 and 7, Sept 1845"



Daybook 20 Sept. 1845 - Trinity Church, New York. Recast bells 7-1-4, 6=
-3-9, 9-1-6, 18-0-10 =A3271.3.10, clappers =A34, stocks wheels etc =A332, c=
ases & packing & shipping charges =A35.18.6, total =A3313.2.4



The only other information I have comes from an account (and photograph=
) of a visit to the tower by various English ringers in 1991 (RW 1991 p.121=
0). This states that there are eight bells hung in a wooden frame with ring=
ing headstocks, bearings and clappers (but minus the wheels) and two more b=
ells hung for chiming.=20=20



Sounds to me like an "unringable eight" according to the usual definiti=
ons (i.e. bells still hung on derelict ringing fittings) rather than a chim=
e, plus - of course - two extras.



Chris P



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From: JohnBaldwin=20
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Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Trinity Church New York


I have now searched my records and find that it was Chris Pickford wh=
o
supplied that tenor weight of 24-3-25 in D in a (snail-mail) letter t=
o me
dated 29 June 1999, along with a number of other suggested alteration=
s which
had previously been submitted to Ron Dove in November 1993. There is=
a "not
necessarily precise" (according to Chris) comment alongside this entr=
y,
saying : "Weight of 1797".

Perhaps Chris can shed further light on the background of his finding=
s, or
else someone (? Michael) could ask Andrew Wilby about the letter rece=
ived
from Owen Burdwick, referred to in the said RW article on p970 of 200=
1.

It looks from that article, now, that I should remove the entry from =
Dove!

John Baldwin
(029) 2055 4457


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> 'Dove' lists an eight 24-3-25 in D. I remember after 9/11 an artic=
le
> in RW saying there were ten bells in the tower tenor 32cwt. Can
> anyone explain the differences?
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