[Bell Historians] Baldersby and Kingweston

[Mr J Greenhough]

St.George, Mossley, Gtr.Manch. - rehung recently and not allowed to
retune!

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:

> I should have added that Taylor's also cast some real crap in the 1850s!
> Most of their 1860s stuff, in my experience, is even worse as a result
> of the Grimthorpe influence - I haven't rung at Mirfield (1869) but they
> are reckoned to be really bad. On the other hand, the 1869 tenor at
> Bridgwater has tuned up really well, and is now effectively almost
> Simpson. It seems the cae that the really good bells of this era are
> usually the larger ones of rings.
>
> It seems difficult to see what Taylor's were up to in these decades.
> They could cast good stuff and will certainly have recognised it as
> such, and yet they could cast some real junk. I don't think anyone's
> really looked into the tonal analysis of Taylor bells from this period
> on a wide ranging sample. Bill Hibbert (a member of this list) is
> currently looking into the transition to Simpson tuning in the 1880s and
> 90s and his conclusions show that Taylor's were in advance of Simpson -
> hence their refusal to use the term 'Simpson-tuned'. While we're on the
> subject, does anybody have details of any complete 1880s or 90s Taylor
> rings, preferably 8 or more, which have not been tuned. I'm certainly
> interested in any bells from this period, and I know Bill is also.
>
> David
>
> Mr J Greenhough wrote:
> >
> > These sound worth a visit, quite the opposite of Healey (Rochdale): an
> > 1850 Taylor 6 sounding rather T.Mears-ish! The 1845 Taylor tenor at
> > Priors
> > Marston, Warks, is quite good with a slightly flat octave hum. Better
> > still the 1865 four at Stainby, Lincs, (in original frame & fitts)
> > where the
> > hums are 7th on treble, flattening down the scale to the octave tenor
> > which is beautiful. The 1867 17-1-7 in F# at Hope, Gtr.Manch., (also
> > still ringable in original inst.) has a very near octave hum and a
> > bright
> > tone. Just what did they aim for, and how much control did they have
> > at this
> > time?
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > seem risky, a bit like Baldersby!
> > >
> > > Baldersby - now there's a tower I must visit. I believe the bells
> > are
> > > tonally very good (1857 Taylor's, in case anyone didn't know).
> > >
> > > Taylor's were actually casting some really good stuff in the 1850s.
> > At
> > > Kingweston in Somerset there is a fascinating 1854 installation -
> > real
> > > shoe-horn job! The frame is 2-tier, cast iron H's below, A's above,
> > on
> > > oak bearers. I believe it's one of Taylor's ealiest cast iron frames
> > -
> > > the cross bars each have a recess in them for the bearing brass. The
> > > bells themselves, a five with a tenor of 14 cwt in E, are superb.
> > The
> > > back three are maiden, but are very close to Simpson. The trebles
> > have
> > > been tuned, and are quite good 'old-style'. I have some pictures -
> > If
> > > anyone's interested I can stick a few on the 'pictures' section of
> > the
> > > home page for the list.
> > >
> > > It seems likely that if it wasn't for Lord Grimthorpe and his
> > strange
> > > ideas about bell profiles Taylor's would have perfected
> > true-harmonic
> > > tuning much earlier than they did.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
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