[Bell Historians] Baldersby and Kingweston

[David Bryant]

what date are they, and how good?

D

Mr J Greenhough wrote:
> 
> St.George, Mossley, Gtr.Manch. - rehung recently and not allowed to
> retune!
> 
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:
> 
> > I should have added that Taylor's also cast some real crap in the
> 1850s!
> > Most of their 1860s stuff, in my experience, is even worse as a
> result
> > of the Grimthorpe influence - I haven't rung at Mirfield (1869) but
> they
> > are reckoned to be really bad. On the other hand, the 1869 tenor at
> > Bridgwater has tuned up really well, and is now effectively almost
> > Simpson. It seems the cae that the really good bells of this era are
> > usually the larger ones of rings.
> >
> > It seems difficult to see what Taylor's were up to in these decades.
> > They could cast good stuff and will certainly have recognised it as
> > such, and yet they could cast some real junk. I don't think anyone's
> > really looked into the tonal analysis of Taylor bells from this
> period
> > on a wide ranging sample. Bill Hibbert (a member of this list) is
> > currently looking into the transition to Simpson tuning in the 1880s
> and
> > 90s and his conclusions show that Taylor's were in advance of
> Simpson -
> > hence their refusal to use the term 'Simpson-tuned'. While we're on
> the
> > subject, does anybody have details of any complete 1880s or 90s
> Taylor
> > rings, preferably 8 or more, which have not been tuned. I'm
> certainly
> > interested in any bells from this period, and I know Bill is also.
> >
> > David
> >
> > Mr J Greenhough wrote:
> > >
> > > These sound worth a visit, quite the opposite of Healey
> (Rochdale): an
> > > 1850 Taylor 6 sounding rather T.Mears-ish! The 1845 Taylor tenor
> at
> > > Priors
> > > Marston, Warks, is quite good with a slightly flat octave hum.
> Better
> > > still the 1865 four at Stainby, Lincs, (in original frame & fitts)
> > > where the
> > > hums are 7th on treble, flattening down the scale to the octave
> tenor
> > > which is beautiful. The 1867 17-1-7 in F# at Hope, Gtr.Manch.,
> (also
> > > still ringable in original inst.) has a very near octave hum and a
> > > bright
> > > tone. Just what did they aim for, and how much control did they
> have
> > > at this
> > > time?
> > >
> > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, David Bryant wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > seem risky, a bit like Baldersby!
> > > >
> > > > Baldersby - now there's a tower I must visit. I believe the
> bells
> > > are
> > > > tonally very good (1857 Taylor's, in case anyone didn't know).
> > > >
> > > > Taylor's were actually casting some really good stuff in the
> 1850s.
> > > At
> > > > Kingweston in Somerset there is a fascinating 1854 installation
> -
> > > real
> > > > shoe-horn job! The frame is 2-tier, cast iron H's below, A's
> above,
> > > on
> > > > oak bearers. I believe it's one of Taylor's ealiest cast iron
> frames
> > > -
> > > > the cross bars each have a recess in them for the bearing brass.
> The
> > > > bells themselves, a five with a tenor of 14 cwt in E, are
> superb.
> > > The
> > > > back three are maiden, but are very close to Simpson. The
> trebles
> > > have
> > > > been tuned, and are quite good 'old-style'. I have some pictures
> -
> > > If
> > > > anyone's interested I can stick a few on the 'pictures' section
> of
> > > the
> > > > home page for the list.
> > > >
> > > > It seems likely that if it wasn't for Lord Grimthorpe and his
> > > strange
> > > > ideas about bell profiles Taylor's would have perfected
> > > true-harmonic
> > > > tuning much earlier than they did.
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
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