[Bell Historians] Heaviest bell normally rung without a box

[the_mcwomble]

--- In bellhistorians at y..., "john thurman" <john at t...> wrote:
> The heaviest I can recall is Manchester T H tenor.
> 
> John

Does the 11th at Liverpool Cathedral count ??

Arguably the "doughnut" is the ringing room floor since the tenor has 
an additional box ?