[Bell Historians] FWRe: Liverpool pro-Cathedral

[David Cawley]

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Re Giles' contribution of 8.20 p.m. yesterday below, he may fid it worthwhi=
le to compare it with my similar one posted at 9.31 a.m.=20=20
Re the "joint" parish churches, St Peter & OLSN (Pierhead) - others have po=
inted out cases where there are two parish churches in one benefice (theref=
ore two parishes); or a chapel-of-ease and a parish church (in one parish),=
and frequently parishes are joined such that both "The Church of St X and =
the Church of St Y shall be Parish Churches of the Parish." In each case th=
ere would only be one Rector or Vicar, however many other clergy there were=
. What I was claiming as unique about Liverpool (until Rev Brooks' death in=
1855) was that there were two beneficed rectors of one parish (which had t=
wo churches), and it is their names which appear on the St Helen's bells, e=
x-St Peters, and their predecessors were on the Dobson bells at Pierhead.

Anything from anybody about the "bell of the peal" which was supposed to ha=
ve gone to a temporary position in the new Cathedral (and which never becam=
e a part of the present ring) ?

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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Samuel M. Austin=20
To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: [Bell Historians] FWRe: Liverpool pro-Cathedral


This is from Giles

Aye

Sam


>
> From: "jimhedgcock" <jameshedgcock at h...>
>Subject: Re: Liverpool pro-Cathedral
>
>--- In bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com, David Bryant <david at b...>
>wrote:
> >>
> > http://www.crosswinds.net/~marlerjc/stpc.html
> >
> > It has some not-very-good pictures, of the interior and exterior.
> >
> > This link is inaccurate in that St. Peter's Church was not erected
>as the Cathedral Church. The diocese was only created in 1880. St.
>Peter's was Liverpool Parish Church, the title passing to Our Lady
>and St. Nicholas Pier Head after the deconsecration of St. Peter's
>Church.
>
>
>- I haven't had a chance to follow this link, but Jim is (of course) rig=
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>that St Peter's was not built as a Cathedral. From memory, however, the=
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>title of Parish Church did not 'pass' to OLSN when St Peter's was=20
>deconsecrated. For much of the 19th century, OLSN and St Peter's were co=
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>parish churches, and this status only finished by act of Parliament when=
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>there was enough of the Cathedral available to function, thus putting St=
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>Peter's out of a job.
>
>Prior to the Parish of Liverpool having two Parish Churches, it had 2=20
>(clerical) rectors at once - this finishing in 183-something (again, I=20
>think by act of Parliament). The ecclesiastical history of Liverpool wou=
ld=20
>really deserve study: given the large RC population, the anglican paroch=
ial=20
>system never really seems to have got off the ground. But I fear I am=20
>drifitng too far from this list's brief - and I know I have drifted too =
far=20
>from my certain knowledge! I look forward to Jim, Sam et al putting me=20
>right.
>
>Cheers
>
>Giles Blundell
>Liverpool
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:31:47 -0000
> From: "combineharvestersam" <combineharvestersam at h...>
>Subject: Re: Liverpool Cathedral Bells
>
>
>------------------
>Sent with Instant Email from T-Mobile


>From: "Giles Blundell" <grblundell at a...>
>To: combineharvestersam at h...
>Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:38:23 +0000 GMT
>
>Hi Sam
>
>Is there any chance of you forwarding the following to bell historians? =
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>some reason, yahoo objects to the source address my palmtop uses instead=
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>believing that I am really sending from aol.
>
>Thanks
>
>Giles
>

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