Jim: > was it just the wine and me trying to 'sex-up' the bell? Do you think a thick-waisted bell is more sexy than a thin one them Jim? IMHO it's the other way round... David -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm