[Bell Historians] Proto-NBR and musical scales

[Samuel Austin]

I agree with Michael. When looking at the notes for a
ring of bells on the on-line Dove, sometimes I have to
look twice as the notes are grammatically incorrect.
This is the case with the two examples Michael has
cited. 

I have raised this in the past but the reason given
for continuation in the current format is that if it
was done properly, it might confuse non musicians. 

I'm not knocking the work of John Baldwin, he does a
super job.

Aye

Sam


--- Michael Wilby <michael at MBWp8lufcnYEeZoIcD8ZqMYNSiUfKyi_oA6uPfIuYJseu_skMxxM8UFdkOhHxVYkOoT-fU6xynA256a8z6K2Clzixth7lw.yahoo.invalid>
wrote:

> Without being critical of the work John Baldwin is
> undertaking, can I 
> suggest there should be a review and common agreed
> standard around 
> the recording of individual notes within the scale
> of a ring of bells?
> 
> I post two examples from the Dove website, one for a
> ring in C# and 
> another for a ring with a tenor given as D#.  I seem
> to recall some 
> discussion about how bell notes are listed a while
> back, but I think 
> the two examples, especially the latter, demonstrate
> how difficult it 
> can be to make any sense when using the "piano
> keyboard view" of a 
> scale.
> 
>
http://www.cccbr.org.uk/dove/detail.php?DoveID=BLOXHAM
> 
>
http://www.cccbr.org.uk/dove/detail.php?DoveID=ASHBY+DE+Z
> 
> In the first example, the correct musical notation
> would have the 
> second expressed as B# and the sixth as E#.  The
> latter example is a 
> real confusion of keys, with some notes from the
> scale of D# 
> (presumably as advised by the founder), and others
> from E-flat!  So 
> you can either have it as (tenor first) D# E# Fx G#
> A# B# Cx D# E# Fx 
> (where x denotes "double sharp"), or Eb F G Ab Bb C
> D Eb F G, but not 
> as-is.  To express either ring as currently
> published is musical 
> nonsense, and while I'm sure there are good
> intentions behind 
> recording bells thus, in practice it is dumbing-down
> and ultimately 
> is not helpful.  
> 
> To the novice pianist, notes such as B# and E# don't
> *apparently* 
> exist on a piano keyboard, but music written for
> piano in keys such 
> as C# include B# and E# in their scores.  All
> stringed 
> instrumentalists would have no problem in the
> concept of playing an 
> E# if required!
> 
> Bells are musical instruments tuned to musical keys:
> let's notate 
> them as such.
> 
> MPAW
> 
> 


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