[Bell Historians] Musical scales, bell register

edward martin edward.w.martin at JH4agocokmHTtjCYpAP2t5BE4q4I2yPVGrqMj-Gj0AI4v7sa1AWhCbUJwQFmjtA2wyjE73bjB2Kf1YAnufWQjFqz.yahoo.invalid
Mon Dec 4 15:23:21 GMT 2006

I am still very new to the internet & its many resources, I have looked at
Wikipedia several times and have found several inaccuracies or misleading
statements. What seems to me is that since anybody apparently can make
entries and anybody else can make alterations to what is already there, how
is it consistantly useful or to be trusted as being at all 'scholarly' ?

When you wrote
" with deletions only allowed by a moderator and all data automatically
attributed to the person who supplies it."
Who is the moderator, apparently all-knowing on each & every subject?
Likewise, I have often wondered 'who wrote THAT?' but have no idea how to
find out!

I apologise to the list if this is off-topic, but if it is a recommended
search engine for accurate data then I for one would like to know more about
credentials.  For example, the on-line  version of the Tintinnalogia' to
which you refer. when it first came on-line, I compared it word for word
with my photo-copy of the original, and found only one very minor error (in
my opinion an error!) ; in addition, this copy is taken NOT from the
original  publication but from the second edition. As far as I can tell,
these two editions are identical in content, differing only in the title
page. I contacted the stated publishers telling them, but recieved no reply
and have observed no alterations or additional information to the effect
that their copy is NOT of the first edition.  Perhaps small insignificant
nit-picking on my part, but it has generated a certain amount of mistrust.

To return to your posting & its suggestion: If the Wikipedia was used  as
you describe, how trustworthy would it be and under what authority?


On 12/4/06, Bickerton, Roderic K (SELEX) (UK) <
roderic.bickerton at DLTcuEp3WR4SgLsQeti9MADFkbIJAj-LxHLBOP-ZkXKNZVaEdPmV_KeIlY3YFGIMIdV3IHzDQCtfILQNWWGx5Eas3lQdmQ.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

> As for the work load argument, that is piteous. Many people collect
> data. A system that allows direct input is needed.
> There are many data bases that allow this, with deletions only allowed
> by a moderator and all data automatically attributed to the person who
> supplies it.
> Have a look at wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Pageworks)
> to see a vast on line open data base.
> Stick "bell ringing" (or anything else) into its search box.
> It pulled up this with link which I did not know about:
> Tintinnalogia, or, the Art of Ringing by Richard Duckworth and Fabian
> Stedman, available freely at Project Gutenberg
> No! This would take away the meaning of what the vast majority of
> ringers understand by the note of their tenor bell. You would make the
> register more exclusive to people than inclusive. It would also mean an
> exponentially higher amount of work has to be done on a voluntary basis
> with the rewards being understood by only a tiny fraction of the ringing
> population.
> There are currently 28,133 bells in the proto-NBR, equating to 58.7% of
> the total bells IN RINGS OF 3 OR MORE. On my calculations this would
> mean a total of around 48,000 bells needed to be recorded. The cost in
> time and money of adding these to the database would vastly outweigh the
> limited value that would be gained from it. Perhaps a selection of bells
> that are noteable for being particularly good, or even bad, or a typical
> example of a given founder, perhaps, but every bell? I doubt it.
> Mike
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