[Bell Historians] Redundant bells in Greenock

[David Cawley]

Sincere thanks to Alan for this. I think we shall always be in the dark as to the "unknown" weights. RWMC would have recorded them if they had been on a framed notice in the tower, and even if he missed it it would have been lost in the fire.

DLC
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  ---- Original Message ----- 
  From: aaj buswell 
  To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 4:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Redundant bells in Greenock



  In response to DLC's request, below are the 1911/12/13 details of St George's, Greenock bells taken from G&J's Tuning Book Vol 0, p112.
  9.            New.  44 1/8"   [no weight given]   in E325.  1911.
  8.   2747  Recast.   39 1/8"   10-2-15  F# 365.  1913.
  7.   2746  Recast.   35".   8-1-19  G#. 1913.
  6.            Recast.   33 7/16".   [no weight given]  A 433. 1911.
  5.   2745  Recast.   30 5/8".   Cast Wt 5-2-0, Tunings 0-2-0  B 488.   1913
  4.   2744  Recast    28".   Cast Wt 4-1-21, Tunings 0-1-22  C#. 1913.
  3.   2743  Recast    27"   Cast Wt 3-3-8, Tunings 0-0-23  D 578.  (flat second)  1913
  2.            New        25 1/2".   [no weight given]  D#  609 Tuned down from No. 1 of 1911.   1913.
  1.   2742  New        25 1/16"   Cast Wt 3-1-8, Tunings 0-0-26   E 650.   1913.

  Please note that, by calculation, G&J's tuned weight is not necessarily the correct weight of the bell. If anyone has their correct weights, please let me know and where the info came from. - Thanks.
  AAJB.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: David Cawley 
    To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:38 PM
    Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Redundant bells in Greenock



    Thanks for these details. Particulars of the former bells wouild be of interest - thanks Alan

    DLC

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: aaj buswell 
      To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:55 PM
      Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Redundant bells in Greenock



      Herewith are the details of St George, Greenock taken from G&J's Tuning Book No 15, p115-6.:
      Recast 9 and augment to 10 in late April/early May 1950. 
      10.  6785.  45 1/2".  18-1-7 F 345hz.
      9.   6784.  41",  12-3-25 G 387.
      8.   6783.  36 9/16",  9-1-4 A 435.
      7.   6782.  34 7/16".  7-2-4 Bb 459.5.
      6.   6781.  33 1/16".  7-0-3 B 488+.
      5.   6780.  31 1/2".  6-0-7 C 517+.
      4.   6779.  28 1/2".  4-2-15 D 580+.
      3.   6778.  27 1/4".  4-0-21 Eb 614+1/2.
      2.   6777.  25 15/16".  3-2-3 E 625+1.
      1.   6776.  24 5/8".  3-0-21 F 690+1/2.

      I also have the details of the 1912/13 bells if required.

      Alan B   
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: David Cawley 
        To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:28 PM
        Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Redundant bells in Greenock



        GREENOCK ST GEORGE
        Formerly Renfrewshire
        Diatonic chime of 9 (as recorded 1947 by Ranald Clouston in CB Renfrewshire & Dumbartonshire)

        Treble RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON 1913. / FOUNDED 1889 / 1
        2nd CAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON 1912. / 2
        3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON 1913. / FOUNDED 1889 / 3 (or 4 or 5 or 7)
        6th RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON 1912. CAST 1889. / 6
        8th RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON 1913. / THIS PEAL OF BELLS WAS PRESENTED BY / MRS. ROBERT SHANKLAND / TO THE FREE MIDDLE CHURCH GREENOCK. / IN MEMORY OF HER PARENTS / MR. AND MRS. GIBSON, PAISLE, / 1889. / 8    
        Bass RECAST BY GILLETT & JOHNSTON CROYDON 1912. /MIDDLE UNITED FREE CHURCH / GREENOCK / THIS TENOR BELL WITH TWO TREBLES / ADDED BY THE CONGREGATION IN / 1912.

        Seven bells (1,3,4,5,6,7,8); chiming machine played changes on the diatonic six. 5th recast as 6th and 2nd and tenor added 1912. The comparison must have been striking, as the remaining bells were recast the following year. 

        They were played from a clavier which with the floors and the chiming machinery was destroyed by fire in 1948.

         Given as 44"; Dove I gives 14 cwt in E; both note that there had been a fire in 1948 and the two tenors were cracked, although all were still hanging in their steel framework. RWMC states "It is possible that the bells will all be recast."

        Dove II gives 10 bells, 18-1-7 in F, so it appears that the bells were increased in number and weight by G&J in 1950. Baton clavier. Perhaps Alan Buswell can give fuller details of the bells.

        I realise that this is mainly about the old bells, but it is possibly not devoid of interest.

        DLC 




          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Robert Lewis 
          To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com 
          Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:30 PM
          Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Redundant bells in Greenock


          At 13:14 06/12/2006, Dickon wrote:

          >Why is everyone bitching about this? I think Robert was asking a little 
          >more than just "what is there", which can indeed be found online. He (and 
          >I presume others) want to know what is happening now, what the process is 
          >for such decommissioned churches and the impact on the bells for this 
          >church, etc.
          >
          >DrL

          Thanks Dickon. I suspect that GAD just has it in for me - due to some 
          perceived slight! (no more photo favours for you, George!!)

          But, hey, I can live with that.

          You are quite right - I was after something rather more than the bare facts 
          from the (excellent) databases mentioned.

          RAL 







              
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