[Bell Historians] Response from Dr. Mike Baron to recent 'List' emails re Eastry 'Sanctus' Bell.

michael baron mike.baron at eRCcfSd961OkW5s7e23-RlvTGlN1l9k5ZVAyksKAXY8qne5hKQ_eL-OEHsDZ1Az8qHNhotkyICrzN8_KdmJECNY.yahoo.invalid
Fri Jul 27 18:47:21 BST 2007

You have just put your finger on the crux of the matter - David did not ask for my permission first. If he had done so,  I would have said no, not now, as before publication date, you should regard it as confidential. After publication, I would have been happy to share information with others.

If you can't distinguish between the useful, mutual exchange of helpful material (such as sending people corrections on erroneous bell data & providing missing historical information, etc., - which I thought was the purpose of the Bell Historians Site) and the necessity of guarding sensitive data for members commercial activities, and acknowledge that I have been 'wronged', albeit unintentionally, then you are not fit to 'moderate' this site.

 If you take the trouble to read your emails properly, before getting steamed up about them first, then you would acknowledge that; (a) I acknowledged that David Cawley is a first-class Bell Historian, whom I liked at first meeting: (b) he has apologized unreservedly to me for his actions, which I have accepted; (d) had some of your members not ignored David's wishes not to 'chew over' this private matter  and 'slag me off'  on your site (presumably allowed by you to do so, in your capacity as moderator), then I would not have found it necessary to respond publically, as previously, I had had no intention of using your site for anything other than participating in the type of exchanges I have seen on there.

Having seen you in operation against another member in very recent days, I anticipate that you might retaliate by striking me off the membership of the site. Let us see if you are man enough to keep me on it. If not, I shall not lose any sleep over my expulsion. Perhaps if you feel so strongly about it, as you are involved yourself, through your failure to 'moderate' properly, why don't you poll your membership, having first ensured that they are fully informed  (from both points of view) ?

I had hoped that this matter would have been settled quietly & privately, but David, in only mentioning my "disapprobation" & failing to provide the full facts, followed by your complicity (as moderator) in permitting a couple of members 'to shoot their mouths off , compelled to air my side of things.

In expectation of receiving some just & adult treatment from the Moderator.

Dr. Mike Baron

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Bryant 
  To: bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 4:41 PM
  Subject: RE: [Bell Historians] Response from Dr. Mike Baron to recent 'List' emails re Eastry 'Sanctus' Bell.

  "We will now all see just how fair your Moderator is and I challenge him to publish my email, in full, on the Bell Historians' Web-Site."

  Well, there you are Dr Baron - it's appeared on the list.

  Clearly you misunderstand the nature of the bell historian community. People are pretty much always willing to freely share their research, and I can confidently say that if I asked any of the leading historians on here for permission to publish a photo or drawing of theirs (with attribution, of course) they would give their permission. There is no money in publishing bell related research, and if you break even you've done well! People do it because it's their hobby, not because they want to make money out of it.

  I find your attitude towards Dave Cawley to be absolutely appalling. He is one of the most knowledgeable bell historians in the country, and is always ready to freely share his expertise and knowledge with others, and to encourage those new to the field. He was clearly only doing as he usually does and trying to help you in your researches, and you repay him with this ignorant tirade. I've never banned anyone from this list, but unless you make a full apology to Dave on this list you are going to be the first person to be banned, Dr Baron. On this list, we work on the basis of encouraging and helping each other out with our shared interest. We do not launch petty attacks on people who have only tried to help. As a result of your behaviour, I would be very surprised if anyone helps you in your research. I do not have any relevant information myself, but if I did I certainly wouldn't be sharing it with you - and this goes against the grain as I'm usually more than happy to share any information which I have.

  I look forward to seeing your apology to Dave Cawley. If it doesn't materialise, they you're out.

  David Bryant
  List Moderator



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