[Bell Historians] Re: Submitting historic peals (was The Botley Youths)

Richard Smith richard@ex-parrot.com [bellhistorians] bellhistorians at yahoogroups.com
Tue Dec 5 19:01:27 GMT 2017

'Andrew Bull' a_m_bull at yahoo.co.uk [bellhistorians] wrote:

> For some reason my post keeps getting removed from my message, so I'll
> resort to top posting!

All three got through fine with the content bottom posted on 
the first two.

> There's another issue about tenor weights for historic peals, of which the
> above case is a good example.
> Warner's did indeed quote 39-3-10 for their replacement tenor bell at Pier
> Head. However, when it was weighed at Loughborough prior to scrapping, it
> turned the scales at only 36-0-22, so the "official" weight was much
> inflated. Which weight should be used for peals 1911-1952? Dobson quoted
> 41-0-14 for the tenor of the 1814 twelve.

This is something BellBoard ought to have a policy on, but 
currently we don't.

My view is that because BellBoard is a database of 
performances rather than a database of tower or bells, we 
should record the performance as the ringers would have 
wished it to have been recorded at the time, so far as we 
can tell.  So far as I'm aware, it was widely believed that 
the Warner tenor at Pier Head was 39¾ cwt, and I think I 
recall seeing peal boards there recording the tenor as that 
weight.  I think that means BellBoard should show the tenor 
as 39¾ or 39-3-10 or whatever they believed at the time. 
Obviously that doesn't mean copying every typo: if there's a 
record of Pier Head with a 93 cwt tenor, someone has 
doubtless transposed the digits and it should be corrected.

At some point I hope someone will produce a comprehensive 
database of historical bells and rings; if and when that 
happens, I'd be keen to link BellBoard to it.  It's the job 
of that database to record that Warners supplied it at 
39-3-10 but when Taylors scrapped it, it was only 36-0-22, 
and quite possibly take a view on which is the more accurate 


Posted by: Richard Smith <richard at ex-parrot.com>


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