[Bell Historians] Jarrow Grange, Christ Church

[John Baldwin]

Many thanks, Chris.  Much appreciated.

John

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 15:48, Chris Pickford via Bell-historians <
bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:

> As I said in one of my postings, the full inscriptions aren’t recorded –
> just the special wording on the trebles (both showing 1919) as attached
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> Peter Rivet says he didn’t see them but relied on information provided by
> somebody at the church. Howard Smith may have seen them, but hasn’t chipped
> in yet (though he’s clearly supplied some dud info to Mike Chester). I do
> remember Geoff Armitage telling me that it’s a horribly shitty belfry – so
> good luck to anyone who does go and look.
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>
> I can add that Taylors didn’t inspect until 28 October 1918, so although
> the inspection notebook says “ordered 1918” that must have been very late
> in the year. Given they were cast in July 1919 – and there’s no special
> reason to have backdated (so far as I know). Indeed, the fact that the
> trebles were for the church jubilee in 1919 rather supports the later date.
>
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> The invoice shows that the treble was recast (or, rather, exchanged) free
> of charge. The old bell (not used to cast the new one) didn’t arrive at
> Loughborough until 15 October 1919 – the bellhangers ‘switched’ the bells
> in the tower when doing the installation work, which involved considerable
> changes to the arrangement of the frame. I think that there are three pits
> on top, for bells 1, 2 and 6 – type 6A, one pit 1882 and two additional
> pits 1919 (I say “I think” because that’s what JWT(jun) proposed – and it
> may be that they did something different when the job got done). I don’t
> have a layout plan of the 1882 bottom frame (originally for 2-6 of the six
> – later for 3-5 and 7-8 of eight, again “I think”). Not much doubt it’s
> likely to be type 6.A.
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> I think 1919 is safe enough. I was surprised to see 1918 on Dove, because
> I've always thought of them as being 1919.
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> *Chris Pickford*
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> *From:* Bell-historians [mailto:
> bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *John
> Baldwin
> *Sent:* 11 July 2020 14:43
> *To:* Chris Pickford <c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com>
> *Cc:* Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk; Tim Jackson
> <tim at timjackson.email>; dickon at lovesguide.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Bell Historians] Jarrow Grange, Christ Church
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>
> Chris - what (at least) I haven't discerned from all this exchange, is
> whether anyone is *absolutely certain* what is inscribed on the bells,
> 1918 or 1919 or nothing.
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>
>
> Certainly from what you've told us a pNBR amendment is needed if there's
> one saying 1919 or no inscription, but - at the moment - I'd like to be
> assured.   Surely, now, and if no record in the foundry files, the only way
> of being certain is for someone to go and inspect the bells ... and surely
> someone more close that Cardiff can undertake that.
>
>
>
> John
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>
>
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 11:17, Chris Pickford via Bell-historians <
> bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It might be worth adding (as Dove currently shows 1918 as the date) that
> the job was completed and invoiced on 11 October 1919 – and the three new
> bells were cast on 1 July 1919. A correction needed, I think
>
>
>
> *Chris Pickford*
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> *E-mail* pickford5040 at gmail.com
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