[Bell Historians] Jarrow Grange, Christ Church

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I have taken on board Chris Pickfords helpful information and will visit as soon as I am able after all it is only 6 or 7 miles away.
Will also check diameters and inscriptions and supply photos.
>From memory the 7th. clapper is broken off in the crown.
Since I rang there in 1972 I understand that  the wheels have now been sawn off.
Howard Smith


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From: John Baldwin <dovemaster at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:56
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Jarrow Grange, Christ Church

Many thanks, Chris.  Much appreciated.
John
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 15:48, Chris Pickford via Bell-historians <bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:

As I said in one of my postings, the full inscriptions aren’t recorded – just the special wording on the trebles (both showing 1919) as attached  Peter Rivet says he didn’t see them but relied on information provided by somebody at the church. Howard Smith may have seen them, but hasn’t chipped in yet (though he’s clearly supplied some dud info to Mike Chester). I do remember Geoff Armitage telling me that it’s a horribly shitty belfry – so good luck to anyone who does go and look.  I can add that Taylors didn’t inspect until 28 October 1918, so although the inspection notebook says “ordered 1918” that must have been very late in the year. Given they were cast in July 1919 – and there’s no special reason to have backdated (so far as I know). Indeed, the fact that the trebles were for the church jubilee in 1919 rather supports the later date.  The invoice shows that the treble was recast (or, rather, exchanged) free of charge. The old bell (not used to cast the new one) didn’t arrive at Loughborough until 15 October 1919 – the bellhangers ‘switched’ the bells in the tower when doing the installation work, which involved considerable changes to the arrangement of the frame. I think that there are three pits on top, for bells 1, 2 and 6 – type 6A, one pit 1882 and two additional pits 1919 (I say “I think” because that’s what JWT(jun) proposed – and it may be that they did something different when the job got done). I don’t have a layout plan of the 1882 bottom frame (originally for 2-6 of the six – later for 3-5 and 7-8 of eight, again “I think”). Not much doubt it’s likely to be type 6.A. I think 1919 is safe enough. I was surprised to see 1918 on Dove, because I've always thought of them as being 1919. Chris Pickford4 Walmsley Court, High Street, Kinver, DY7 6HGTel: 01384-872519 or 07811-453525E-mail pickford5040 at gmail.com  From: Bell-historians [mailto:bell-historians-bounces at lists.ringingworld.co.uk] On Behalf Of John Baldwin
Sent: 11 July 2020 14:43
To: Chris Pickford <c.j.pickford.t21 at btinternet.com>
Cc: Bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk; Tim Jackson <tim at timjackson.email>; dickon at lovesguide.com
Subject: Re: [Bell Historians] Jarrow Grange, Christ Church Chris - what (at least) I haven't discerned from all this exchange, is whether anyone is absolutely certain what is inscribed on the bells, 1918 or 1919 or nothing.    Certainly from what you've told us a pNBR amendment is needed if there's one saying 1919 or no inscription, but - at the moment - I'd like to be assured.   Surely, now, and if no record in the foundry files, the only way of being certain is for someone to go and inspect the bells ... and surely someone more close that Cardiff can undertake that. John On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 at 11:17, Chris Pickford via Bell-historians <bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:
It might be worth adding (as Dove currently shows 1918 as the date) that the job was completed and invoiced on 11 October 1919 – and the three new bells were cast on 1 July 1919. A correction needed, I think Chris PickfordE-mail pickford5040 at gmail.com _______________________________________________
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