[Bell Historians] Sanctus bell at St Sepulchre without Newgate

[Revd David Cawley]

I can remember the Service / Sanctus Bell at St Seps way back in the mid 
1960s. It was rehung (dead, with a lever clapper) about that time. Ernie 
Rowe and Bill Theobald did the job for Mears & Stainbank.

There used to be a framed notice by the churchyard gate, near the south 
porch, inviting donations for the Bells of Old Bailey, asking readers, 
"When will you pay me?" The panel contained a photograph of Ernie and 
Bill, with the Eldridge Bell at ground level, exhorting readers: "I am 
down. Please put me up."  Of course it was to be many years before work 
was done to the main ring.

As far as I'm aware the Eldridge bell was not restored or tuned in the 
1980s.

My information that the bell was the treble of the old ten came from 
Bill Hughes, who I understand to have learned it from his father.

DLC

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Newgate

Don't have the nominal, but I've looked into this from the documentary 
evidence and concluded that the bell wasn't the old treble. No time to 
check it out now, but will look it all up later
CP
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Subject: [Bell Historians] Sanctus bell at St Sepulchre without Newgate
From: Richard Smith
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Does anyone know the note or nominal frequency of the 1698
William Eldridge sanctus bell at St Sepulchre without
Newgate?  Also, does anyone know whether it was tuned as
part of the restoration in the 1980s?  Reading Bill Cook's
account of the restoration (RW 1985, pp 493, 498 & 499),
this bell seems to have been the treble of the previous ten
from before Samuel Knight's recast of them in 1739.
I don't believe we know the weight of the original ten, but
the Eldridge treble is significantly smaller in diameter
than the Mears replacement for Knight's treble, at 27.13"
compared to 30.75" – though the surviving Knight second of
ten is only 29.75" and presumably Knight's treble would have
been smaller than that.  This might suggest the original ten
were lighter than Knight's replacement ring.
Before the 1980s restoration and augmentation, which saw the
ring tuned, Dove listed St Sepulchre as being in D.  If the
previous ten were also in D, we would expect the sanctus
bell to be in F#, assuming it really was the treble of the
ten.  If it sanctus bell is higher than that, it would
suggest the original ring was too, as it is unlikely to have
been raised in pitch during any subsequent tuning.
RAS
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