[Bell Historians] Sanctus bell at St Sepulchre without Newgate

[Andrew Wilby]

As project manager of the restoration I don't recall the bell leaving its
pit.

On Sat, 6 Nov 2021, 12:15 Revd David Cawley via Bell-historians, <
bell-historians at lists.ringingworld.co.uk> wrote:

> I can remember the Service / Sanctus Bell at St Seps way back in the mid
> 1960s. It was rehung (dead, with a lever clapper) about that time. Ernie
> Rowe and Bill Theobald did the job for Mears & Stainbank.
>
>
> There used to be a framed notice by the churchyard gate, near the south
> porch, inviting donations for the Bells of Old Bailey, asking readers,
> "When will you pay me?" The panel contained a photograph of Ernie and Bill,
> with the Eldridge Bell at ground level, exhorting readers: "I am down.
> Please put me up." Of course it was to be many years before work was done
> to the main ring.
>
>
> As far as I'm aware the Eldridge bell was not restored or tuned in the
> 1980s.
>
>
> My information that the bell was the treble of the old ten came from Bill
> Hughes, who I understand to have learned it from his father.
>
>
> DLC
>
>
>
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>
> Don't have the nominal, but I've looked into this from the documentary
> evidence and concluded that the bell wasn't the old treble. No time to
> check it out now, but will look it all up later
> CP
>
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [Bell Historians] Sanctus bell at St Sepulchre without Newgate
> From: Richard Smith
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> CC:
>
>
> Does anyone know the note or nominal frequency of the 1698
> William Eldridge sanctus bell at St Sepulchre without
> Newgate? Also, does anyone know whether it was tuned as
> part of the restoration in the 1980s? Reading Bill Cook's
> account of the restoration (RW 1985, pp 493, 498 & 499),
> this bell seems to have been the treble of the previous ten
> from before Samuel Knight's recast of them in 1739.
>
> I don't believe we know the weight of the original ten, but
> the Eldridge treble is significantly smaller in diameter
> than the Mears replacement for Knight's treble, at 27.13"
> compared to 30.75" – though the surviving Knight second of
> ten is only 29.75" and presumably Knight's treble would have
> been smaller than that. This might suggest the original ten
> were lighter than Knight's replacement ring.
>
> Before the 1980s restoration and augmentation, which saw the
> ring tuned, Dove listed St Sepulchre as being in D. If the
> previous ten were also in D, we would expect the sanctus
> bell to be in F#, assuming it really was the treble of the
> ten. If it sanctus bell is higher than that, it would
> suggest the original ring was too, as it is unlikely to have
> been raised in pitch during any subsequent tuning.
>
> RAS
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