# [r-t] Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods

Philip Earis Earisp at rsc.org
Thu Nov 1 14:10:03 UTC 2007

```An interesting question.

It seems you want multiple hunt-bells principally as a training tool, rather than to get different musical effects. Clearly this is actually often done as the moment in a slightly different guise, eg ringing plain bob with a bob every lead, so that the ringers of the 2nd and 3rd plain hunt throughout.

This concept can be extended to turn any "a-group" method into a multiple hunting method.  An a-group method is one with regular leadheads where the tenor is the pivot-bell (ie where the first leadhead is 135264, 13527486, 1352749608, 13527496E8T0 etc).  Examples include Carlisle Minor, Plain Bob Major, Allington Surprise Royal etc.

To get any eg a-group royal method into a multiple hunter, you can simply ring the leadend change as "14" instead of the normal "12" to get a method with three hunt bells.  You could alternatively ring the leadend change as "16" to get a method with five hunt-bells.

As a practical example, you could ring Avoncliffe Surprise Royal with a 14 leadend change to give a three-hunt method - the notation for a lead would be £-50-14.50-50.18.70-14.30.16-16.70-16-90

(For what it's worth, the CC decisions require more working bells than hunt bells, but nobody takes much notice of them these days).

I'm not quite sure if when you say "multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods", you are regarding a hunt bell as one that gets back to the same place at every lead-head, or more specifically a bell that does this whilst just treble-bob hunting.

If you're after the latter, which is much more constrained, there are also lots of possibilities.  After a very quick play-around one simple right-place example would be &-56-8-78-8-2-3-4-5-6-5, 10.  I'm sure other people can come up with both more familiar and interesting examples - perhaps by "extending" common major methods...

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Subject: Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods
From:    "Basil Potts" <basil at nlc.net.au>
Date:    Thu, November 1, 2007 13:30
To:      ringing-theory-owner at bellringers.net
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Multiple hunt bells in treble bob methods!!!!!

Has anyone been experimenting with such concepts recently? I certainly did
years ago and one of my young ringers has been coming up with "new methods"
on a steady basis. He is more computer literate than I am and his output of
experimental methods is phenomenal.

It seems to me that his ideas might be beneficial to the three 16 bell
towers in various parts of the World (and one 14 bell tower), and I am very
interested in the possibility of advancing my band at Christ Church Saint
Laurence, Sydney, NSW, Australia  to Surpirise Royal via his methods which
have as many as five bells treble bob hunting in a Royal method.

Basil Potts

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