[r-t] FW: Alliance Caters

Philip Earis Earisp at rsc.org
Tue May 4 11:40:58 UTC 2010

Further to Tony Cox's recent email, David Hull has been following a similar path and developing new Caters methods.

He's given me permission to forward this email containing some new compositional and method ideas...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Hull <davidghull at googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Alliance Caters
To: mark at bronze-age.com

Hello Mark.

I think I only ever bothered to come up with a composition for one of them.
They are quite false, but it didn't seem insoluble.
 5112 Unrung Alliance Caters
 D G Hull

 23456789    1       7   8
 23456897        4
 64523           X
 35426978        4   -   -
 64523               -   -
 35426789        4   -   -
 64523               -   -
 42563           X   -   -
 35264               -   -
 35264897        4
 35264978        4
 42635           X
 42635789        4
 35642           X       -
 64352       -           -
 56342897    -   4
 35642978        4       -
 64352       -           -
 23456       -   X
 23456789        4

 X = 2.3.4 (6 leads)

 In courses called X, calls at 7 and 8 are really at 5 and 6.

 Method: lh129

This seemed pretty acceptable, working around little bell courses in the

Others which I came up with more recently, but which I haven't yet looked at
composing peal lengths for are: lh129 (nice Bristol-type features) lh129 (some nice features in the blue
line) lh129 (has a vague feel of Orion about
it!) lh129 lh129 lh129 (quite dynamic blue line) lh129 lh129

Obviously you can switch the half-leads (189/9) and the lead-ends (129/1) as
you choose.

Undoubtedly you'll have spotted that they're all double with the exception
of the need to have a different style half-lead and lead-head (I might be
being dim here, but I think my logic is right that a truly double Alliance
Caters method with plain-bob lead heads is impossible, because you always
end up at an "even" lead head and therefore get short courses).

Anyway, I found it quite therapeutic coming up with these and arguably they
ought to be of more than academic interest. Feel free to forward to Ringing
Theory (seeing as I can't seem to post there) if you want.


On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Mark Davies <mark at snowtiger.net> wrote:

> Hi there David
> I've come up with just this one so far:
>  Alliance No.1 Caters
> lh 129
> I've just realised something which should have been obvious - due to the
> negative nature of the leadend, most of these are rather false. Not enough
> to stop you ringing them, but enough to make them less than ideal. What are
> yours like - any less false?
> Currently thinking about ways to minimize the falseness, possibly by using
> a LH group that would give an odd number of leads to the course. This isn't
> quite as straightforward as I expected - perhaps why nothing like this has
> been rung.
> Cheers
> M


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