[r-t] "New Grandsire"

edward martin edward.w.martin at gmail.com
Mon Jul 18 06:53:53 UTC 2011

On 13 July 2011 11:35, Tony Smith <smith_a_p at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Decision (E) A.1 (b) says "Starting the plain course from a different change
> does not give a different method". Council established this principle at
> Eastbourne in 1950 (www.methods.org.uk/archive/ccm1950.htm)

> On Tue Jul 5 23:36:08 BST 2011, edward martin <edward.w.martin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> you mean as in:
>>  2345 Grandsire bobbed gives
>>  4523 then New Grandsire plain gives
>>  3542 and Grandsire plain gives
>> (3254)
> Eddie's touch could be simply described as Original with 3rds place bobs at
> handstroke but since the amendment to Decision (E) A.2 at the recent CC
> meeting ...
> "A call is a means of passing from one course of a method to another. It is
> not part of the definition of the method. A call may be effected in one of
> the following ways:
> (a) by altering the places made between two or more consecutive rows without
> altering the length of a lead;
> (b) by omitting consecutive changes, altering the length of a lead."
> ... it could now be alternative described as Grandsire with "New Start"
> calls.

As Graham John recently put it (in another thread):
"You can define a five part extent of Plain Bob Minor as a method or
as a composition of Original, but there isn't much value in doing
either. " and I would say that this applies to the above touch.

Under Classification of methods with two or more hunt bells, the
Council's Decisions  state:
"Each hunt bell is either a principal hunt or a secondary hunt."
As with all comps of New Grandsire of which I am aware, This touch
retains the Treble (No. 1) as the primary hunt in both Grandsire & New
Grandsire (ignoring that it brings rounds at handstroke,) the above
touch has treble as Primary Hunt with no changes lost or gained in any
lead block of either method.
Eddie Martin

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