[r-t] Grandsire/New Grandsire

edward martin edward.w.martin at gmail.com
Tue Jul 19 07:51:09 UTC 2011

On 18 July 2011 20:40, Graham John <graham at changeringing.co.uk> wrote:
> The majority of twin hunt methods probably do fall into the classes
> mentioned, but there are still a very substantial number of other methods
> that have been rung and named. In fact there are 842 twin hunt methods, 12
> triple hunt methods, 3 quadruple hunt methods and 1 quintuple hunt method
> that have been named. I have attached a couple of examples to illustrate:
> Gorambury Alliance Major (twin hunt) and Shortheath Surprise Royal (triple
> hunt). The decision makes it clear that these are classified as Alliance and
> Surprise respectively, and are not Little methods.

Thank you for your patience. I was thinking specifically of Twin Hunt
Triples methods & wasn't too concerned about other instances; However
I should have read the bit more fully:
C. Classification of methods with two or more hunt bells
Each hunt bell is either a principal hunt or a secondary hunt. The
properties (a) to (e) are considered in turn and the paths of the hunt
bells are examined until a hunt bell is found whose path has that
property. The principal hunts are all the hunt bells whose paths have
that property, unless the paths of some but not all of these hunt
bells are Little, when the principal hunts are those hunt bells whose
paths are not Little.
(a) Plain hunting;
(b) Treble Dodging;
(c) Treble Place;
(d) Alliance;
(e) Hybrid.
Under this full statement, Grandsire Triples can be said to have two
principle hunts. Nevertheless, it still seems to me to be rather
foolish to ascribe equal status to the treble and the six  bells who
potentially could be in the hunt . but then we define a method by its
succession of plain leads where there are the two hunt bells with
apparantly equal status. Since Grandsire has set the standard for all
twin hunt triples/caters/ cinques etc it is ironic that historically
Grandsire Doubles referred not to a succession of plain leads but to
alternating plain & bobbed leads. I'm afraid that I shall always
maintain that touches of 'New Grandsire' which maintain No. 1 as the
bell always hunting is not merely Grandsire but starting from rounds
at a different place (had the 3 been the bell always hunting and the 1
affected at calls, then I would agree that this is a trivial variation
of Grandsire..but this is not the case)
Thanks again for your patience

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